FIGHTERS WITH OVERRATED ATTRIBUTES

LOL, in Fight Night Round 2 Chris Byrd actually was rated higher than Muhammad Ali what a joke

 

David Haye's handspeed is quite possibly the most overrated attribute in the history of boxing.

"David Haye is easily the fastest heavyweight since 1960s Muhammad Ali"- Gavin Evans

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People over at ESB thought I was insane for saying Haye's handspeed wasn't even up to Tommy Morrison. But Morrison, unlike Haye, could actually throw a combination with speed rather than just one fast punch.

 

A couple guys who had overrated chins, imo, were David Tua and Jose Luis Lopez. These were guys that could take punishment and rarely if ever went down - but they got hurt and went into shells in lots of fights and because of that they didn't allow themselves to be KO'd, knocked down, or otherwise wobbled because they fought in a shell or in survival mode, so to speak.

 

Yeah I agree about both.

I laugh when people do Tyson vs Tua MM threads, and people act as if Tua would just eat up Tyson's shots.:laughing:

If anything Tyson's chin was more proven, based on the two Ruddock fights.

Mike's speed and power would have put Tua in a shell, and overwhelmed him.

 

Haye's straight right hand IS very quick and powerful, but I agree that his ability to put together fast combinations is almost non-existant.

MTF

 

Who really dented his chin, though? I suppose Watson hurt him in their second fight but Eubank got up and literally almost killed him seconds later. I can't really think of anyone else...

MTF :dunno:

 

Eubank had an outstanding chin but when he fought Benn, Benn was drained a bit. Eubank did have a very good chin and when you consider that he did a better job vs Carl Thompson than Haye did, it's hard to argue against his overall staying power. Eubank could be hurt, but that is true of any boxer, any era.

 

Who said that? Bob Sheridan?

 

Eubank's chin was rock solid. ROCK SOLID. I can't believe anyone would question it for a second. When Watson dropped him...it wasn't because of teh punch...Eubank wilted through exhaustion and exasperation....he had previously "shot his load" earlier in that round (best round of all time for my money).

 

Junior Jones was flat out overated in almost all aspects.

And almost every fighter from Colombia with a 99% knockout percentage; until they come to the U.S.

 

I reckon Haye's speed is the same as Naseem Hamed's - the ability to throw extremely unexpected, surprising pot shots. It's kinda speed of thought or positioning more than speed of hand....the shots are quick because they come from unexpectedly short positions. It's his hand & foot placement and timing. I'm not sure how to really explain this.....:: It's a stylistic quickness rather than a physical quickness; kinda the equivalent to speed as good placement is to power.

Bottom line - in effect he throws very quick pot shots.

 

I agree...I think

MTF ::

 

Lennox Lewis in almost every aspect

 

Wlad's boxing ability. He's got 2 punches in his arsenal, and 1 defensive move.

 

2 punches ? He at least has 3 GREAT punches and they are Jab, Right cross, left hook

 

Kaliber is right. Wlad is being underrated.

 

Mayorgas power was not overated.

 

true... what helped Holyfield is that he was crisp and accurate as a puncher so he hurt guys with clean counters... but his overall power was about average for a good heavyweight

 

He has a left hook ?? Hardly ever see it. Right cross only shows up once or twice a round. And his defensive move is excessive holding, without even punching on the way in, just straight hold.

 

Wlad's not as good as he was, IMO. He used to be more fluid and more of a combination puncher. I guess he changed his style in order to better protect that chinny chin chin and it's serving him well.

Wlad has at least THREE great punches as already mentioned....Jab, Cross and left hook. Offensively, as I've said many times before, he's as good as any heavyweight in history not named Tyson or Louis.

 

Not sure Klitschko's left hook makes enough appearances to be judged as genuinely great, IMO. I'm more on D-Man's side of the fence with this one, though I'm not outright saying I disrespect his left hook --- just thinking it is awful-neglected if it is, in fact, as handy as you gents believe.

 

Neither did Chambers.

 

Ha ha.

Seriously, though, Wlad hardly ever throws it, probably because if he's close enough to throw it, he'd rather just hold.

The few times he does throw it, it's usually off a clinch or break.

 

Lennox Lewis' jab. He was outjabbed frequently.

Mike Tyson's 'infighting'.

 

But when's the last time you saw two heavyweights duke it out on the inside? Ike/Tua. Can't think of any since. Tyson hit too hard. So either his opponents didn't last on the inside, or they held him. But none of them were about to oblige him on the inside.

Also, besides Mercer, who out-jabbed Lewis? Maybe Vitali. This doesn't mean he didn't have a great jab.

 

Bruno for periods. Holyfield at times. Even Tyson in the first round of their farce. McCall gave him problems jab wise. Rahman in their first. Every fight he ever had serious problems was against guys known as good jabbers in fact.

He had a good jab, mainly because of his height. Not a great jab. Great all round fighter, obv.

 

it's well known that the way to cope with a good jab is with a jab. so it's no surprise that guys who jabbed with him had some success, although i don't agree with Holyfield as an example, since he was dominated in the first fight by Lewis's jab and in the second Lewis didn't really use his jab.

i wouldn't say Lewis had serious problems with any of those guys save for the knock-out punches delivered by McCall and Rahman which had nothing to do with their jabs.

and even if you want to say he had serious problems with Holyfield in their second, it wasn't because of Holyfield's jab.

 

Fine so what you're saying is I'm an idiot, with poor personal hygiene & restless leg syndrome?issed:issed:

 

Me & you are through forever.

 

I think that's exactly what I'm saying...

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