Who seriously believes Margarito can win this Saturday Night

I for 1 give him a 0% of winning.

Anybody want to make a case for el Tijuana Tornado winning the fight

 

no, I'll just bet on him instead.

 

Margarito is the most underrated fighter of the last decade by this point. Seriously, it's getting beyond a joke, this is guy with multiple wins over top fighters at these weights.

Tony might win because he's fucking huge next to Pac, has a granite chin and lets his hands go under fire. He's a lead volume puncher - tailor made for a slugger like Mosley who's heavy pot shots were enough to dampen Tony's output significantly. But against a guy like Pac who normally leads with volume too you might see him more open to exchanges than Mosley's slug and grab approach.

Clottey and Cotto are both counter punchers who will generally cover up under fire and try to counter on the break by which point Pac's lightning feet have taken him 3 feet away. Look what happened in the Hatton fight against a guy who's natural instinct is to lead with punches, aggressively too - Pac was being pushed back and flustered and only took control of the fight because he could revert to slugger against Hatton like Mosley did against Tony. That worked well because he could hurt Hatton with single shots. His normal lead flurry and move strategy wasn't viable though.

So what happens if the same dynamic develops against Tony yet he finds he can't effectively revert to the role of slugger like Mosley does so well against lead volume punchers because he can't hurt a 150lb Margarito? It's a possibility. He couldn't seem to hurt Clottey. It becomes an awkward fight.

My pick is Pac but this isn't a foregone conclusion, and I won't be surprised if it turns out to be more difficult than 99% of people expect. I think might have to revert to pot shotting and running/clinching by the end.

 

margarito has a pretty good chance to win. unless his chin all of a sudden is ruined from the mosley beatdown.

 

Marg has an outside chance of a late TKO imo

 

of course you do...

 

Are you kidding? Yeah wins over top fighters with fucking cement in his gloves.

How did he look against Mosley, sans plaster?

 

Margarito is big and tough, any fighter can win on a given night.

Manny is the kind of fighter that the British refer to as a "Pocket Hercules."

Tony loops his shots, while Manny is a much straighter puncher.

Should be David vs. Goliath Saturday night.

Karl

 

Has Margarito ever lost to a shorter fighter than himself in the pro's?

 

You damn right i do. Pacman vs Margarito is going to look like Usain Bolt running against an obese man. The speed difference will be that graphic. Nobody with no defence and no speed is going to do shit to Manny.

 

He barely hit Mosley dude. And Im not jumping to any conclusions re: the plaster in terms of how long it had been in there. I think it was there for the Cotto fight, but that was gonna be a hard fight for Cotto down the stretch regardless.

Tony has allot of good wins over allot of good guys and I don't believe the plaster was there in all those fights at all. I find that suggestion absurd, these things get noticed more than once in every 40 odd fights. The guy can fight /discussion. Or at least he could a few years ago.

 

If Pacquiao got caught for roids right now it would be downright naive to think that is the first time he's used them. Or even the second time.

In the same vein (haha) it would be downright naive to think Plasterito hasn't been using his magic wraps for years.

You suddenly decide to load your gloves once you're on the world stage, and a champ etc? Really?

It's obvious he used his magic wraps for Cotto too, average looking punches turned Cotto into a bloody mess. Again, I think it would be naive to think that Cotto is the first time he used his magic wraps.

Plasterito looked like a bum against Mosley, literally. A walking punch bag. Without the magic wraps Mosley just walked him down fearlessly, and Plasterito offered no resistance.

Ironically I have a feeling Plasterito might win as a sort of perverse karma for Arum and Pacquiao giving the scumbag this opportunity, but on paper at least, Pacquiao should batter the absolute shit out of this scum sucking cunt.

 

Cool, then we see things differently. I think tony was literally made to order for Shane wraps or no wraps. Like an Oscar of their first fight but slower, if God could design a world level fighter just to showcase Shane Mosley he'd look exactly like Margarito.

Not really a debate that can be resolved though.... lets just growl at each other, have our friends hold us back and move on to different pubs.issed:::

 

Mosley

 

Pac doesn't know how to hold like Mosely so it will be a different fight then Mosely Margarito...Margarito will have some success especially if he could get to Pac's body early and often and Pac better take a lot of his power pellets because Marg will push the pace and will not stop advancing.

 

He has a much much better chance than Marquez did against Mayweather.

 

Yet Marquez whipped Pac :NotThink:

 

Come to think of it Floyd whipped both of these guys daddies.

 

Idiot.

If Marquez whipped Pac, then Castillo whipped Floyd.

 

:atu:

 

It's true. Pacquiao got robbed in the first fight with a draw. The 2nd fight was very, very close and Marquez could have got that decision. If he won any fight, it's the rematch.

But Castillo "whipped" Floyd in the first fight.

 

if you say so...I was being kind of tongue in cheek, the last thing I want to do is relive debates on Floyd Castillo and Pac Marquez.

 

Exactly. At 150lb++++ Pac won't hit as hard as Mosley either, IMO.

 

Fair enough.

One thing I do agree with is although Pacquiao is the better fighter, Mosley is in some ways better suited to fighting Plasterito.

His size and strength played a big role in that fight.

Mosley has always had great physical strength and he refused to be physically bullied by plasterito, giving back more than he got when it came to holding/grappling etc.

Pacman can punch like a mofo, but he is not exceptionally strong physically, he's going to have to rely far more on speed and agility.

Though I disagree with Hut Hut on the power front.

Shane has a clear edge in physical strength, a big edge, but Pacman has the edge in power even at this weight. Mosley is pretty heavy handed, but Pacquiao just has that extra snap and explosion of energy in his punches.

 

Sure....

 

Teddy Atlas

 

The fight still has to be fought.

Karl

 

Against every good fighter Marg has faced he gets outboxed early and needs his opponent to slow down late to win. Pac isn't going to slow down ese.

If you want to you can enlighten me on how Margaritos style will give Pacman problems.

 

Your right, he will hit harder.

 

Agreed and to add I don't think Pacquiao can't be as flat-footed as Mosley was. Shane is a very strong guy and was more than able to hold his own inside. Obviously Manny can beat Margarito (and most anyone) to the punch, but i don't think he can stay there like Mosley did.

I think foot speed will be more important than hand speed. If Pacquiao can keep the fight in the center of the ring and keep turning Margarito it's easy work. (on paper)

I don't see Manny turning out Margarito's lights like he did to Hatton.