Is Floyd's shoulder roll enough to withstand Manny's attack?

Whilst Floyd is indeed a master at limiting his opponents output, he is going to find that alot harder against a guy with the lateral movement of Pacquiao, who will also be in and out of range very quickly. Floyd likes guys with conventional fighting rhythms as he can time them so well, Pac is anything but conventional

 

True, but it's so ingrained in Floyd he won't be able to get out of the way. I still believe Floyd beats Manny but it's been so long since he's been in a tough fight I wonder whether he could stand in there.

Manny has the footspeed and footwork to do to floyd what Roy did to Toney...always stay behind him to his blind side.

Plus with Manny being a southpaw Floyd naturally dips into straight lefthands...kinda how Tarver KO'd Roy. Roy's glove was in the perfect position to catch a lefthook vs an orthodox fighter.

"However"

Being Tarver's a lefty the shot came in at a slightly different angle and landed inside Roy's glove.

I'm thinking the same happens to Floyd whose much more flat footed than ever.

Also something to consider...by the time the fight happens...Floyd will have been out of the ring by a minimum of a year and he's what...34 now?

That's assuming his criminal case that comes up in January doesn't go to trial. If he's set to stand trial, it would be curious to see if they'll go ahead and make the fight...kinda like Tyson-Holyfield in 1991.

But getting back on point...

I think Floyd's reflexes have slipped just a bit based on his last two fights...the inactivity whether he's in shape or not won't help him. manny's been active and really hasn't taken much punishment over the last year.

I think he'll be fresher and sharper and will catch Floyd more than most expect.

 

I don't. Fuck Floyd. I want him to spend time in the pokey and learn how real bad boys behave.

then...

I'd look forward to he and Brian Kenny going back on forth on Friday Night Fights when he's 42 and broke.

 

Manny Pacquiao is not Kelly Pavlik. Not by a long shot...

MTF :nono:

 

DLH has a very good defense and Pac scorched him.

If Clottey has anything, it's a good defense, though not really comparable to what Mayweather brings.

 

Then I guess I don't know boxing. To me, lopsided is 8 rounds to 4 or better for Floyd.

 

Holy shit, that's cold.

 

Good points...nothing here I disagree with.

 

Understood...but my point is in limiting a fighter's output (oh and old man Hopkins isn't Floyd Mayweather either).

OK forget Pavlik...Calzaghe is more analogous to Manny...being a fast, mobile volume punching southpaw. When he fought Hopkins, consensus was that Calzaghe may outland him 100-20 in every round, but it turned out to be a close fight which some scored for Hopkins.

Mayweather's style stops his opponents from being willing to throw. Just look at his damned fights.

Consider corrales. Look at how many punches Corrales threw against Castillo in that first fight. Look at how many punches he had thrown against Floyd. Just one example.

 

DIfferent type of defense...so not fair to bring it up. Stationary defense, based upon blocking..doesn't limit opponent's punch outputs..if anything it encourages volume punchers to throw even more. Mayweather's defense is about making and opponent miss and then making him pay. That discourages volume....ask anyone that has boxed before....

 

Floyd wins 9 rounds to 3

 

floyd ending up broke will happen regardless. phonetap figured you'd enjoy seeing him catch an asswhuppin in the meantine...:giggle:

 

To me lopsided is at least 9 rounds to 3.

8 rounds to 4 is more like a clear decision IMO. Not close, but not lopsided either, kind of between the two.

You'll see you're wrong though if this fight comes off.

If you really think it's going to be lopsided, watch Floyd - Judah again.

Judah is actually winning by the halfway point, purely on the grounds of being a fast southpaw with good power and accuracy.

Judah isn't even close to the fighting machine that is Manny Pacquiao, they just happen to share 2 traits, they are both southpaws, and both faster than Floyd.

 

That fight wasn't close, as a Joe fan you should know that.

I was rooting for Hopkins (until that fight I've always been a fan of Nard), and I thought Joe won at least 8 rounds. Hopkins looked to be on his way to another schooling after 3 rounds but after that, Joe basically just outslapped him by a mile every round, and Nard didn't really limit Joe's output.

I agree with you about Floyd's style in general by the way, and limiting output.

But don't forget with Manny he'll be fighting someone not only with faster hands (like Judah) but faster feet too.

Manny is unpredictable to go with his speed too, and is not scared to throw combos at every opportunity, it's not like Floyd is going to be fighting some predictable sloth that he came time easily etc.

 

That's cool, I won't argue it since I think Floyd is likely to win 9 rounds to 3.

I've had knuckleheads telling me I didn't know boxing ever since I bet on Barrera to beat Hamed, Floyd to beat Corrales, and Hopkins to beat Trinidad. It doesn't bother me. :)

 

I also picked Barrera to beat Hamed and Hopkins to beat Tito.

Like I said, watch Floyd against Judah, then tell me how exactly is Floyd going to dominate Pacquiao?

Floyd doesn't do very well against southpaws (Judah, Corley, they both had a lot of success and both hurt him) and especially against the only fighter he's fought that is faster than him in Judah.

You might have been right about those fights, but that doesn't mean anything. If Floyd wins it's going to be close.

Like Neil says, ANYTHING can happen in boxing, it's not out of the realm of possibility for either one to KO the other early, but logically, this should be a very close fight.

I think it's absurd to predict a lopsided decision either way, not just in favour of Floyd.

 

If Floyd would try to walk Pacquaio down as he did Mosley, Manny would LIGHT him up.

These are two of the top most ACCURATE punchers in the sport. But when has Floyd thrown COMBINATIONS lately? What about Pacquaio's instinct to fire back immediately? Has Floyd been in FIREFIGHTS like Pacquaio is accustomed to?

Pacquaio could change a FIGHTER's conditioning with ONE body shot.

 

This!:Thumbs:

 

Agreed. PBF is gonna have to engage Manny Pac at some point in the fight, he will not win running away for 12 rounds.

 

Very good point. 1 body shot took everything out of Margarito, he almost folded.

 

Pac is susceptible to body shots too...and Floyd is no scrub in that area either...

 

I have to admit that surprised me, that vicious body shot.

Especially considering Pacquiao isn't really a body puncher. He is not a hooker, his super quick, straight punches are of course more suited to zipping around, strafing, and landing head shots.

 

Well he took them very well from a fighter that out weight him 17 pounds Saturday night.

 

AND the more you hit Pacquaio, eventually he likes fire back every time. At this point in their careers, it is Floyd who I see CAUTIOUS of opening up, apprehensive of what's coming back his way after he gets shots off.

 

Just like watch Pacs fights with JMM and workout how PBF would get dominated by Pacman. Thats why this fight has to happen, both these guys are the only real challengers to each other.

 

Do you not understand my point?

My point is there is going to be no domination either way. I don't think Pacquiao dominates Floyd either, I think it's going to be a close fight, whoever wins.

 

Pac fought JMM at his best and yes they were fairly evenly matched BACK THEN. Personally I think Manny has improved by leaps and bound since then, especially his right hand.

 

Not to mention that Clottey wasn't firing back at all off of his defense. He is by no means a make you miss make you pay fighter.

 

JMM is a better fighter than any of Pacs opponents since JMM. Pac had a huge weight and size advantage over JMM, JMM's right hand and counterpunching would always give Pac problems. No fighter has been able to counter Pac since. Not to mention he was on an impressive win streak going into the fight, not emotionally destroyed.

 

Yeah ok, i understand it now :bears: