My thoughts... I hate how everyone thinks he loaded his gloves in EVERY fight... Thats as hard to believe as Margarito not knowing that the wraps were loaded... You are tellin me you guys think he got away with it every fight? Come on now...how retarded is that? And your are tellin me a block that thick in his gloves and Cintron and Cotto lasted that many rounds??? Gimme a break...now look at his first round KO's or early round KO's not his long beatings... No it doesnt take away the fact that he cheated...but Its not even proven that he had even USED...and only attempted... I might get shit from this...but I think it has got out of hand...
i think the most prevalent contention is that he loaded his gloves for the cotto fight. which is his biggest and most significant win
So here's my thing, and I said the same when Tito was retroactively accused of cheating his way through three weight classes... What does it say of every other trainer of every fighter that Margarito (and Tito, for that matter) has ever faced that nobody other than Brother Naazim caught on to this? Either they are the most effective cheaters in the history of the sport... or they got caught when they tried to do something outside of the rules.
You might be retarded. And believe me, I wouldn't mention it, except you called me retarded in your post.
Just watch his fights - and closely. The second Santos fight, the Cintron fights, the fight in which he punched the guys ear off? Margarito was a full-time wrap-loader, just like Trinidad.
why? because it acquits your hero? a known cheater? Trinidad's post-Hopkins career is an elephant in the room. Deal with it.
It's hard to say when he used it. Look at the Paul Wililams fight. That was a brawl where Williams ate everything from Margarito and barely looked brusied after the fight. It was a type of fight where he would look like shit weather he won or lost. I dont' think the Mosley fight wast he first time but I dont' think he used it in every fight. If he did and got away with it his carreer would be more impressive. His power would have a crazy reputation. yet he was never a one punch ko artist. he was always the guy to outwork everyone with decent power.
Latin King, if you don't have that natural explosion of energy in your punches like Pacquiao for example, you're not going to be a KO puncher even with loaded gloves. Look at the Resto fight even. He just did more damage, not score a vicious KO. Also it's not like Plasterito had knuckle dusters in his gloves. They were somewhat subtle about it, like Trinidad, but worse. It was a thin piece of concrete/plaster basically, didn't you see it? Significant enough that it's going to increase the weight and hardness of his punches, and do a lot more damage than a normal punch, but it's not like he had a MASSIVE piece of concrete in there.
yeah but I look at the Cotto fight where Cotto was ok early because he was moving out of the way. So he didn't take punishment for the whole fight yet in those last rounds when he was caught it was enought to make his face look horrible. Paul Williams took more shots to the face than Cotto yet barely looked like he was in a fight. Believe me I'm not defending Margarito I think he is a scumbag. But if he did used the illegal wraps on every fight it would be more obvious. You would see more oponents looking like Cotto did or like he did last Saturday.
From my recollections of the Williams fight, Williams boxed from the outside and clinched whenever Margarito got inside or started to rally. I distinctly remember that because it was the only time I ever saw Williams use his physical advantages (reach, boxing ability) and fight like he had a brain. Also a fair point to why Margarito would load his gloves for the first time ever against Mosley could be the fact that Mosley has proven to be one of the toughest and most durable fighters in history. So it's not beyond a total doubt that it was the first time he loaded his gloves. I personally think he's done it before but who knows.
Well, Manny looked a little bit swollen in the face last saturday. And Margarito connected a lot less than against Cotto. Maybe the fucker has some sting in his punches irregardless of plaster.
if margarito or tito cheated all throughout their careers, then what does that say about every state athletic commission they fought in? or maybe nazim is just a freakin genius? i'm sure if it was one of nazim's guys fighting pacquiao, he could cause controversy out of however pacquiao wrapped his hands and lead people to think he's also a cheater.
Either way it doesn't matter.... the most important win of his career is tainted and a lot of people didn't think he was a very special fighter until he beat cotto
Use COMMON SENSE... Reflect Upon the PRE-FIGHT Perceptions of Sugar Shane, Margarita AND their Matchup...It was WIDELY ASSumed that Sugar Shane was Being Led to SLAUGHTER...He was Basically a BEATABLE "Name" Fighter that Margarita Could Look GOOD Against, After his Coming Out Party vs. Cotto... The FACT is, Margarita ATTEMPTED to CHEAT Against that Very Same Sugar Shane Mosley... Just a Fight PRIOR, Margarita was in a CAREER DEFINING Fight vs. Miguel Cotto, a Guy w/a WIN Over that Very Same Sugar Shane Mosley...Whether Margarita Cheated his "Entire Career" or Not is of ZERO Importance to REED...It Should B Pretty APPARENT, to Anybody w/the Aforementioned "Common Sense", that Margarita CHEATED vs. Cotto.... Cotto was the More IMPORTANT Fight & More of a Percieved THREAT to Margarita, than Sugar Shane was, Pre-Fight....For the 3,000th Time, MotherFUCK Margarita...AND his Enablers/Fans... REED:boohoo:
i didnt think he was a very special fighter before or after he fought cotto. though it was an impressive win. the fact that he came into camp way out of shape and heavy prior to the mosley fight may have been the reason they attempted to cheat. who knows. its all speculation. for a guy who allegedly has no power without these alleged hand wraps he should did hurt pacquiao worse than anyone the past few years.
As far as Margarito having no power without the wraps there is this argument: Manny Pacquiao: I Was Lucky To Survive The Sixth Round By Ernest Gabion WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao made history on Saturday night at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas. He captured a record eight world title with a dominating twelve round decision over Antonio Margarito. Pacquiao picked up the vacant WBC junior middleweight title, but his team, and Arum, expect him to return to the welterweight division in his next fight. The fight with Margarito was one-sided and brutal, but Pacquiao admits that a bodyshot in the sixth hurt him badly and he was lucky to make it to the seventh round. Margarito, known for his hard hooks to the body, was able to catch him to the ribs but Pacquiao was very elusive and wouldn't allow him to follow-up. "In the sixth round, he got me with a good shot, a bodyshot. It was really painful. I'm lucky to survive that round," Pacquiao said. "This was not an easy fight. This was the hardest fight in my boxing career. Margarito is really tough and strong. I [could] feel it. He was really big, bigger than me. I want to give a good fight and make people happy and that's why sometimes I fight him toe to toe and exchanged punches. I won the fight, but I can't say that it's an easy fight. It was hard." And this: Pacquiao Cancels TMZ Appearance To Treat Injuries By TMZ Staff Manny Pacquiao didn't walk away unscathed from that championship bout after all -- his people say he's laid up in bed with injuries to his ribs and wrist. Manny's reps just showed up at our office and told us Manny is seeing a doctor right now at his home in L.A. ... to determine if he fractured any bones during this past Saturday's fight with Antonio Margarito. Manny's camp says that's why he couldn't make it for today's TMZ Live ... as scheduled. One person connected with Manny tells us he was in bed this morning in pain, laying in a fetal position. Pacquiao had said that a shot to body really hurt him in the sixth round of the Margarito fight.
That fight was much more competitive than people are acknowledging. Some of those rounds were fucking bruising. It pretty much defined the difference between 'close' and competitive.
Pacquiao won every round. Plasterito was competitive in the 6th when he hurt Manny, and one other round. He kept Manny on his toes by being almost 3 weight divisions bigger and constantly advancing, it was a hard workout for Manny, but he was basically a big, aggressive punch bag, and Plasterito took the beating of his career.
Wait, what are you trying to say? That Nazim pulled the wool over our eyes, and actually Plasterito DIDN'T cheat?
Pac disagrees. I'd imagine the doctors examining him disagree too. Was a tough fight, tougher than any of his last 5 or so.
Look at their 2 faces after the fight. Plasterito looked like he got hit by a bus, Manny looked fine. Look at Manny's face after the Clottey fight, it's actually significantly worse than against Plasterito, a bit swollen and bruised up. Clottey landed more clean punches than Plasterito. I'm not saying it wasn't a tough fight, in a way it was a tough fight. But like I said, for no other reason than PLasterito being almost 3 weight classes bigger and just constantly coming forward. It meant that Manny had to work constantly, and be very focused, and Plasterito roughed him up a bit on the ropes and landed a couple of meaty body shots. So it was a tough fight in the sense that it was a hardcore workout, but other than a couple of meaty body shots, plasterito landed almost nothing clean. Of course it was a tougher fight than Oscar, Hatton etc, he steamrolled those guys. Cotto and Clottey both landed far more clean punches on Pacquiao, the difference between those fights is simply plasterito was much bigger and didn't get discouraged as easily as those guys, which forced Pacquiao to fight constantly.
