Who was more scared of tough competition ?

Floyd is a waste of my breath so I'm not even going to mention him beyond this sentence but I actually kinda like Roy these days. Green excuses aside he actually seems like a cool guy now. Takes some tough fights, doesn't talk out of his ass. Too bad he wasn't like this in his prime.

Can anybody come up with lists of whom both arguably ducked ? or if "ducked" is too harsh a word then could have fought and enhanced their legacy but did not ?

 

roy is crazy, he took on the tough challenges after his prime.

Cupey

 

I know right ? Talk about growing balls late

 

Can anybody come up with lists of whom both arguably ducked ? or if "ducked" is too harsh a word then could have fought and enhanced their legacy but did not ?

 

From those two i would say Mayweather at 147

at 130 he fought Corrales who was the MAN...GOOD though he didn't get around to fighting the other TOP guys in the division Casamayor and Freitas.

at 135 he fought Castillo who was the MAN...I don't remember who else was in the division..doesn't matter cause CASTILLO was the man and Mayweather fought him no problem...

but after those fights MAYWEATHER became became a lil BITCHY....Corley, Gatti were decent W at 140... Mitchell was garbage at 147...and Bumdomir got lucky TWICE(beating Judah then getting to fight Mayweather)..and Judah..well Judah is JUDAH.....4 round black butterbean.

Can't blame Mayweather for fighting De La Hoya.....but we can complain a bit for fighting Hatton at 147(were he look like total SHIT vs. Collazo)....

but then after that he decided to retire when all the easy fights were done...and the public/media was requesting a fight vs. Cotto, Margarito, Williams, etc..etc....no more rematches w/ De La Hoya...no more Ricky Hatton's..etc...

So my answer is MAYWEATHER........


ROY JONES JR. for the most part didn't have the ELITE opponents like Mayweather had at 147....

 

Good post :bears:

 

Mayweather indeed proved himself in spades at the lower weights and should be given due credit there... but for anyone to say he hasnt been a bit selective higher up would be irresponsible

 

might as well throw calzaghe in the mix.

 

Yes

 

Calzaghe was much worse than both.

 

Yup...he was worse than Roy or Mayweather...plus if the excuse was the lack of competition at 168 why not move up...?

 

agree

 

The idea of Calzaghe fighting a Toney or a Corrales on his way up is laughable.

 

hey, come on, he did fight Tucker Pudwill:nono:

 

I've always been big on the Rick Thornberry win. I take it back.

 

Rick Thornberry::

 

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:flip:


Fighting Mario Veit twice gotta count for something...you haters!!

 

HUGE wins::

 

He took on Chris Eubank, who went on to kick fuck out of Carl Thompson long before David Haye got around to losing to Thompson. When you consider that Eubank had nearly killed the very talented Michael Watson, and had KO'd Nigel Benn years before Benn did a number on McClellan, I would not be so fast to deride Eubank as an opponent or posit guys like an ill-disciplined, weight-drained Toney as some sort of a litmus test for a guy as fast and as cute as Calzaghe.

 

if you can find any will mcIntyres or pudwills on mayweather jr's list of title fights Id love to hear who

 

Baldomir.

Aside from the Judah fight, who did he ever beat?

 

is this a serious post? ointlaugh: baldomir is ray robinson compared to those two midwestern stiffs.

baldomir beat a dozen guys better than either of those bums let alone anyone either of them managed to defeat.

 

Calzaghe fucking sucked.

 

:atu: Yeah, ok.

 

I know, I'm just fucking with you. He's certainly not THAT bad.

 

i like how toney was indeed weight drained, yet this slimy euro brings up eubank. a chap who goes up and fights 20 lbs higher a few months after facing calzaghe.

 

Nothing to do with "growing balls late"....once he was knocked out twice in a row his reputation was in tatters and so he had no choice but to fight whoever would fight him. Simple logic..not hard to grasp.

Anyway...the premise of your thread is false. Jones when he was young and undefeated moved up in weight and went after undefeated P4P #1 or 2...James Toney...a bigger threat (when you consider undefeated, higher weight class and skill etc)than ANY fighter Marvin Hagler ever faced, for example (including Hearns).

When Mayweather was young and undefeated he took on Corrales and soon followed that with Castillo at a higher weight class. When HBO decided that Castillo won the first fight...guess what..Floyd fought him again.

BOSS...you're nothing but a TOSS(er)!

 

Tommy Hearns was easily twice the fighter James Toney ever was... easily

Hagler's list of opponents before he even won that title is a better lot than Jones's 90s comp, excluding Toney

 

To me Jones seemed to be taking advantage of a loophole in HBO's contract for him. They pretty much had to let him fight whoever he wanted and he used that loophole to the extreme and fought a lot of easy fights. Even HBO admitted it was a mistake they would learn from. I also think the McClellan injury affected Jones a lot back then too. The guy was his friend and Roy seemed to be gun shy a bit after that.