LEFT HOOK - Boxing's DEADLIEST Punch....

his arm was bent but it landed straight to William's chin. it did not cause William's head to turn. it landed straight to the chin. so even if you want to ignore convention and claim that a south-paw can throw a left-hook, this wasn't a left-hook. martinez's arm was bent in order to cock the punch. but it was thrown, and it landed straight on william's chin.

 

'hook' should mean the same as 'lead hook'
cos no one uses the words 'lead hook'

 

My grandpa always uses the word hook, rather than overhand..


Guess its more of a subjective thing.

I prefer calling that a hook, even if it is incorrect, simply because hearing the word overhand, I think of Chuck Liddell's retarded washwoman haymakers and don't want that shit associated with the sweet science.

 

Coming from the troll who was recently noted as saying "boxing sucks".

 

:scratcher:

Have U SEEN the Fight, Doub???...The Shot Landed on the RIGHT SIDE of Williams CHEEK/JAW/CHIN Area...It Most Certainly DID NOT Land "Straight to the Chin"...U're Basically Saying Williams was Clocked in the FRONTAL Portion of his Face, which is Bullshit...

Williams was Hit on the RIGHT SIDE of his Face & the Momentum of the Shot Knocked him Towards HIS OWN Left, Diagonally...If he were Hit "Straight to the Chin", Don't U Think Williams Would've Been Moved BACKWARDS in Some Fashion???...

The Momentum of the Shot MOST CERTAINLY TURNED Williams Head Towards his Own Left & then the Rest of his Body Followed Suit..."Straight on Williams Chin", REED's Ass....How Drunk Were U Last Night???...

& Since When can a Southpaw NOT Throw a Left Hook???...ANYBODY w/a Left Arm Can Throw a Left Hook, Whether they're Southpaw OR Orthodox....Again, it's NOT Rocket Science...

REED:mj:

 

i'll watch it again, but there's going to be some confusion here because of the angle from which martinez threw the punch. but in general, guys who are hit straight in the chin don't always fall backwards, particularly if they're out on their feet.

as to the other point, i agree it's not rocket science. but let me ask you this: why is a left jab not simply a straight left? it's a left hand thrown straight, is it not? the answer is, it's a jab because it's thrown with the lead hand. a south-paw is not ever going to throw a left jab (unless he switches stance). Rather, a south-paw throws a right jab. Likewise, a south-paw does not throw a left-hook. He throws a right-hook.

 

Seriously, that was the first thing I thought haha. You can't fix stupid.

 

Only in the RAREST of Instances is a Jab Thrown w/HURTFUL Intent...Your HEAVY HANDED, Sonny Liston Type of Jab Qualifies, but Otherwise, it's Mainly a TABLE SETTING, RANGE FINDING &/or Somewhat DEFENSIVE Punch...9.9 Times Out of 10, a Jab CANNOT B Characterized as a POWER Punch, which Automatically Differentiates it from a STRAIGHT Punch w/the Same (Jabbing) Hand....

Trainers, Fighters & Fans COMPLICATE this Issue More than it Needs to B...A Jab is a Punch that Can ONLY B Thrown Off the LEAD Foot w/the LEAD Hand...But a POWERpunch (ie., Any NON-Jab) Can B Thrown w/EITHER Hand from ANY Stance...

The Notion that a Southpaw DOESN'T or CANNOT Throw a Left Hook Makes NO Sense Whatsoever...



REED:mj:

 

Whether or not it was a roundhouse left cross or not...it's erroneous to compare it with left hooks from an orthodox stance. Completely different punch.

 

If the "Cross" NEVER Actually CROSSED Martinez's Body, @ or Before the Point of Contact, it's ERRONEOUS to Lable the Punch a "Cross"...


REED:hammert:

 

REED, so now there's a such thing as a non-jab thrown with the lead hand? Is that what you've cooked up? Is that the road you'd rather take than to admit that the position from which a punch is thrown, relative to the fighter's stance, is just as important to the definition of a punch as it's motion? There's no complexity here! Not for someone with the willingness to think about it for more than 5 seconds.

Can a orthodox fighter throw a right jab if he uses it as a table setter for his left hook? Is that what you're telling me? And that a south-paw who throws a weak left is actually throwing a left jab, and that if he sits down on his right jab he's throwing a lead right?

 

Right I'm caught up with the discussion here..... I've stuck my oar in with gibberish twice already misunderstanding what was in discussion and deleted them.

A left hook exists from the southpaw stance, obviously (in the same way Lewis KOd Tyson with a right hook). It just isn't a lead hook, it's a rear hook.

What causes the confusion here is that Sergio steps right while he throws his over hand left, thus bringing him square on with his feet but off line to the point he's aiming for a target about 2 feet left of him. It also means the line of the glove is probably almost straight but the shoulder is moving rightward while it's moving forward.

It's just a downright weird shot. Lets call it a 'Martinez left' and be done with it.

 

It's a side-check punch

 

YOU'RE the 1 Tricking it Up w/the "Southpaw CAN'T Throw a Left Hook" NONSENSE, Doub...Can he Throw the SAME EXACT Left Hook as an Ortho Fighter???...Of Course Not...But that DOESN'T Mean he's INCABAPLE of Throwing a Left Hook from the Southpaw Stance Either...

A "Non-Jab with the Lead Hand"???...Of Course that Exists....Haven't U Seen Guys HOOK OFF Of their Jabs (w/the SAME Hand) Before???....

A Jab Travels LESS DISTANCE, so from the Ortho Stance (in Your Scenario), U'd B Throwing a STRAIGHT Right Instead of a Right Jab...U'd Have to INVEST MORE in a Straight Right, which Automatically DISQUALIFIES it from Being a Right Jab...The Jab is the SAFEST Punch in the Book...

If a Southpaw is Throwing a WEAK Straight Left, then he has NOfuckingBUSINESS Fighting Southpaw...



REED:hammert:

 

REED Started this Thread as an HOMAGE to the Left Hook...Out of Nowhere Sprung All the WANNABE Keen Eye'd Boxing Fans, NITPICKING REED's Interpretation of Martinez's Kill Shot...While REED Can ADMIT that it Wasn't the PUREST Left Hook U'll Ever See, there's CLEAR & APPARENT Elements of a Left Hook ALL OVER that Shot...

It NEVER EVER CROSSES Martinez's Body (Before OR @ the Point of Contact) & There's a HOOKING MOTION to Martinez's Arm that's CLEAR AS DAY...Call it a LOOPING Left Hook or an OVERHAND Left Hook, but the Left Hook is PART & PARCEL of that Punch....



REED

 

I think it's fair to point out that a rear left hook from a southpaw punch is a whole different punch taxonomically to a conventional lead hook. In the same way a left jab is different to a straight left from the southpaw stance.

But you're right that this is also a 'left hook'.

 

Oh...fucking give it up! It was a left cross not a left hook...and certainly not a left hook from an orthodox stance...which is what you seem to want to compare it with.

 

It was a left hook, not a left cross. It was just a rear left hook from a southpaw stance rather than a lead left hook from a conventional stance. It was still clearly a hook.

 

You know what...

it was an overhand left cross. It wasn't a rear hook. But even if it was....no one should compare it with a lead left hook. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PUNCH.

Larry Holmes' jab is not the same as Manny Pacquiao's straight left....even though they are both straight punches from the same hand.

 

A "Cross" LITERALLY CROSSES the Body of the Person THROWING it, to Varying Degrees...Martinez's Kill Shot NEVER EVER Crossed his Own Body, Sly...N NO Way, Shape or Form was that a Left Cross because it NEVER EVER Crossed Martinez's Body...

CLEARLY, it WASN'T a Left Hook from the Ortho Stance & REED NEVER Said or Insinuated that it was...Doesn't Mean it WASN'T a Left Hook Though...LOOPING Left Hook Or OVERHAND Left Hook by a Southpaw...Definitely NOT a Cross Though...

REED's Starting to Wonder if Some of Ya'll Even WATCHED Last Nights Fight....



REED:mj:

 

So what Sly is Saying is:

1. Even when a Punch NEVER Actually CROSSES the Body of the Person Throwing it, it's STILL a Cross...

2. Even when there's a Clear & Apparent HOOKING MOTION of the Arm (or 90 Degree Angle from the Elbow, as Irish Noted), it's STILL a Cross...

Got It!!!



REED:giggle:

 

WHEN & WHERE Did ANYBODY "Compare it w/the Lead Left Hook"???....



REED:Ramonza:

 

I mean aside from a left-hook. You seem to be saying if a orthodox fighter sits down on his left jab, that it's no longer a left jab, but a straight left of some sort? That's just B.S.

If a orthodox fighter throws a right hand that loops, you seem to be saying that he's throwing a right hook. That's just not technically correct. He's throwing a looping right hand, but its still technically a right hand. Not a right hook.

A hook by definition, just like a jab, is thrown using the lead hand. And if you think about it, the fact it's thrown with the lead hand is as much a distinguishing feature of the hook as the fact that it's coming from the side. It reaches its target faster. It's shorter. It's harder to see coming.

So the idea that a left-hook is simply a round punch thrown with the left hand is seriously simplifying and underestimating the technique. In addition to being thrown with the lead hand, and arriving from the outside moving in, it's also accompanied by a pivot of the lead leg, again, a distinguishing feature that means a hook, as referred to in boxing, cannot be thrown from the rear hand.

So no. It's not rocket science. But it's not kindergarten either.

 

There's nothing clear about it, it's an odd punch.

 

Hey REED, have you noticed that in recent fights Pacman has been doing this Duran style move, where he ducks and throws a straight left simultaneously?

What he tends to do, either in anticipation or reaction, is dip down to the right and throw a straight left, avoiding the opponent's punch and smacking him square in the face just as the opponent is in full swing.

I consider that a left cross, even though technically it doesn't cross his other hand or torso. It kind of pops straight out from the shoulder, but in a perfect straight line.

Obviously a VERY different punch to the one Martinez threw, but I'm just saying I consider that a straight left/left cross, even though technically it doesn't "cross". In the same vein, one can throw a straight left pretty squared up, straight from the shoulder, twisting the body (differentiating it from a jab obviously) without it "crossing".



It's the motion that Martinez threw the punch that lends itself more to a straight left than a hook IMO.

He dipped to the right, and rotated his body off the back foot into the punch, which is exactly the technique used for a cross.

For a left hook, you dip to the left, and swing the weight round with both feet firmly planted.

Obviously the punch LOOKS kind of curved and looping/overhead which on face value is hook esque, but the technique used is more cross than hook, just more weird and looping than a textbook left cross.

 

REED: Colombians-Boxing's HARDEST Punchers!!

Everyone else: Martinez isn't Colombian and even if he was, wtf are you talking about?

REED: Martinez MAY not be a COLOMBIAN, but I'm sure HE KNOWS where Colombia is and I'm not going to retract my RETARDED OP.

 

hmmm....... in the opening post?

 

It was an overhand left.

 

:Alabama::Alabama::Alabama::Alabama:

 

Uuuuh, Where EXACTLY were the Words "LEAD LEFT HOOK" Used, Stafford???....Instead of REACHING, Grasp @ What's IN FRONT of U, for a Change....


REED:hammert: