Is GSP the best fighter in MMA?

Please go to the boxing forum if you would like to talk about boxing.

 

Oh and for all the talk of being boring, WHEN Floyd was the best active fighter I never denied he was great because he was boring.

Exciting does not equate to being great.

 

I know you're a dolt, but this is 2010. If it were still 2007 you're comment might have merit.

I'm not talking about who is the top P4P fighter of all time. I am talking about currently.

Or do you think Silva's first round submission loss to Takase is still relevant to his current P4P standing?

You're level of stupidity grows with each post.

 

Well if you are going to bring up GSP's loss to Serra at least be fair and include Silva being subbed by Chonan and Takase.

 

Hush, tard, before I fetch your father, Cdogg.

By the way, you never did tell me what college you graduated from..

 

Just like clock work. TLC gets dusted in a thread and he goes off on a meaningless tangent.

:scared2:

 

Don't worry. You won't hear from him again on this subject.

:TLC:

 

Oh no! Someone brought up a fight in another organization of a non-prime fighter 7 years ago and compared it to a prime UFC champion getting KO'd by a mediocre LW 3 years ago, whatever logic can I use here?

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None without completely contradicting the stance that you hold on other fighters.

 

So are fights in PRIDE meaningless?


And I love how you arbitrarily decide when a fighter is or isn't in his prime.

And I also love how you keep calling Serra a lightweight when the guy won TUF at 170 pounds and hasn't fought at 155 since when, like 2004 or something.

Nice try, but fail again.

 

It wouldn't be the first time. The dude absolutely slammed DREAM and in the same breath calls Aoki the best grappler in the world.

It really is comically at this point.

 

Serra doesn't fight at 155 because he doesn't want, or need to. He made a good deal of money and likes to eat, he's quite obviously undersized. Another fail.

Also, we usually call fighters "prime" when they are at the peak of their abilities. Maybe that would be 2006-2009? I'm just guessing. A record setting win streak in the biggest org in the world led me to believe that.

Also, DREAM is mediocre above LW. Always has and always will.

The only thing "comically" is your intelligence.

And no, I said Aoki was the best MMA grappler, big difference.

 

So Silvas "Prime" starts only a year after one of his worst defeats? How convenient.

Dream is shit BTW. Keep embarrasing yourself little boy.

 

And so is GSP, both are great but safety first fighter

 

Silva only claim to bieng p4p number 1 ( and it's a strong one ), is that he moved up and destroyed a top contender in Forrest Griffin. St-Pierre is a big ww, I'd like to see him fight some guy's at mw. But I think he would fare poorly without his strenght advantage, something Silva has shown he can live without.

 

...Who's voting no?

 

Yep, I agree 100% with what you said. And Silva was and would be my easy, doubtless pick for the Top P4P spot if not for his last 2 fights. In my opinion, the way GSP handled his last 2 compared to Silva is why I moved GSP up.

And remember, this is a current P4P ranking and all time. It is a sliding scale and can change from fight to fight. If Silva knocks out or dominates Belfort, opinions might change again.

 

It's honestly unreal how he continues to adjust the boundaries to try and fit his losing argument.

First, DREAM sucks EXCEPT for Aoki's weight class. Second, Silva hit his prime literally minutes AFTER getting submitted.

It is just fun at this point to watch him squirm and look for spelling or punctuation errors to try and diminish the beating he's taking.

(By the way you typed 'Silvas' instead of 'Silva's'. He will likely point that out to take away from the actually context of your post.)



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Dana weighs in on the P4P debate. Thoughts?

http://www.5thround.com/61665/ufc-president-dana-white-georges-st-pierre-is-not-mmas-pound-for-pound-king/

 

at more people voting no.

GSP is the best and it's not even close. If they were the same size, I would pick GSP over Silva without hesitation, and in a mythical P4P sense, I can almost guarantee he nets a better record against the same fighters too.

Silva used to be great to watch, but he's becoming obscenely overrated.

In his most recent fight Silva pulled an armbar out to win a fight he was losing against an estate agent.

In his most recent fight, George dominated every second of every round against a better fighter than the estate agent.

 

For me, that is all that matters when ranking current P4P. Silva was far from the first guy to sub Sonnen.

 

Yes, and rankings prove this. And no I didn't say every class, I said under LW. The FW's are fairly decent. Good job though, I thought this was common knowledge, but since you are so ignorant, feel free to throw your keyboard out the window and learn something for once.

And no, Silva's prime started with the Tony Fryklund in 2006. Which not only was around the time where nearly all fighters reach their ultimate peak, at around 30ish, to about now where he's almost 36 and becoming injury prone.

Furthermore, this is exactly when Anderson moved and started up Black House, and with Rogerio and Rodrigo, started extensively training his BJJ more, and since he hasn't had much trouble on the ground.

 

Really? I thought it was common knowledge that recent DREAM champions above 155 such as Moussasi, Manhoef, Souza and Zaromskis were betting favorites to beat their Strikeforce counterparts. Yes, I swear I read that somewhere......:dunno:

Meanwhile, many publications still rank DREAM stand outs like Moussasi, Souza, Overeem, Miller, Diaz, etc among the Top 5-15 fighters in their respective weight classes.

So it would appear the true "common knowledge" and your version differ... What's up with that?

 

Yes, because Souza, Miller and Diaz are really considered DREAM fighters.

They fight in a couple GPs but otherwise, only Mousasi, Overeem and Manhoef have a significant amount of fights there. The rest are SF fighters.

Even JZ essentially left DREAM, but before that, the division was loaded....

Aoki, Kawajiri, Hanson, Alvarez, Uno, Dida, Ishida...definitely a collection of world class talent.

Not Mariusz Zaromskis and Jason High...:doh:

 

I agree.

 

Wow, so now you're going decide who can be considered a DREAM fighter. Holy shit, Jason Miller has fought in DREAM more than anywhere else over the last 2 years. Souza fought no where other than DREAM for almost 2 years. And Diaz, while I'll admit is a SF fighter, fought in DREAM during 2010.

To me, if a fighter has shown up on a DREAM card and is likely to in the future, he has to be considered part of the DREAM talent pool.

For example, if a moron says there are only shit fighters fighting in DREAM above 155, to me that would mean "there are only shit fighters fighting in DREAM above 155. And I would then have to consider Souza or Moussasi shit fighters. Call me simple.:NotThink:

Damn...

 

I doubt Jacare will ever fight there outside of a random "stay busy" fight.

And even if you count Mousasi, it still contradicts nothing. It just makes him the exception rather than the rule.

This thus causes GP Finals like Mousasi-Mizuno. How Mousasi fights a can in a multi-round Grand Prix only goes to show the quality of the tournament to begin with.

 

He is. Easily. Who else is there? It can't be Anderson. Anderson gave a number of sub par performances lately and on top of it all got dominated by Sonnen. Fedor ? No way. Jose Aldo ? Nah not there yet. Edgar ? Ya right. Cain ? Nope. GSP is number #1 easily.

 

GSP is having the most dominant performances over the highest level of competition. It isn't even close.

 

Without question.