Pettis v/s Edgar/Gayyard winner

Who takes it ?

 

Gray, but Pettis has tricky hips. He could especially catch Gray in a triangle or armbar. It's not like it hasn't been done before.

 

Pettis gets beat by Evan Dunham. Believe it. If he could beat a top 10 LW in the UFC he would be there already.

 

I understand the whole title unification thing, but I just disagree with Pettis getting a title shot without beating a UFC LW first.

Basically the UFC is saying the WEC LW division is on par with the UFC's. That's not true. As Jarhead said, if Cerron, Pettis, and Henderson were Top 10 UFC caliber LW's, they would already be in the organization.

I'm not saying Pettis can't win a fight in the UFC versus a top 10 guy. I'm just saying I want to see it before giving him a title shot.

It makes feel bad for a guy like Sotiropolous. Instead of fighting his way thru TUF, and winning 7 straight UFC LW fights, he should have signed with the WEC for a fast track to a UFC title shot. Seriously, who the hell else has gotten 7 straight UFC wins and not title shot?

Pettis gets a LW title shot and Sotiroplous gets Dennis Siver. Unfair.

 

I think both of these guys would be maynard and edgar..

 

Again it all comes down to business.

WEC CHAMPION VS UFC CHAMPION

That sells. That makes Dana money and that makes everybody happy.

 

There is a very fine line in business when it comes to making money, keeping your customers happy, and keeping your employees happy. Great businesses accomplish all three. The UFC is slowly getting into deep waters with their employees. They have enjoyed being the only show in town for a long time now. The next five years for the UFC will be interesting ones.

 

Really? You honestly think Pettis or Henderson would beat Maynard and Edgar.

Personally I hope you're right. Unfortunately I think you're wrong and significantly under estimating the talent jump from the WEC to the UFC. There is no way Pettis or Henderson stop shots from Maynard/Edgar and beat their ground control.

They looked good standing and in scrambles against each other. Unfortunately Maynard and Edgar are different animals.

 

Both of those guys are more fluid and talented then both fighters

Maynard hasent evolved into that good of a fighter yet im sorry. Edgar is super talented, but i think he would have a really hard time with both guys

Pettits especially....if you watch the wec you know hes notorious for all type of weird shit, not just this ninja kick

And i believe with that both guys with more of a bland come forward style would run into something

And the WEC is basically geared torward building the lower weight classes the past few years. this thing has been in the works for a while

The lower weight classes fighters coming to the UFC will be able to compete and do just fine. The heavier weights, not so much

 

What do you mean the heavier weights? As far as WEC goes, 155 is the heaviest weight they have. There is nothing above LW anymore. They got rid over all those divisions a long time ago. LW is the only overlapping weight class.

 

Mike, you do realize the WEC dropped the heavier weights quite some time ago, right? LW is the heaviest weight they have and it has always been lower in talent than 145 and even 135. Maynard is a world class wrestler and would take down and control Henderson or Pettis with Ease. Edgar could do the same as well as beat them up standing. I know Pettis is fun to watch and exciting, but against elite talent, all of that gets nullified. I hope he proves me wrong, he seems like a likeable guy, but I am sure he won't.

 

Man, the Pettis-Henderson fight was entertaining as hell, but let's be clear, it wasn't a very technically sound fight. Both guys were wild on their feet and each had his back taken more than once.

Does anyone honestly think BJ Penn wouldn't knock out or submit either of them with relative ease?

Seriously, do you really think BJ spends 4 minutes hanging on Henderson's back? Hell no. Ben is asleep within seconds.

 

Edgar escaped his back mount.

And I didn't find either guy to be particularly wild or sloppy.

 

Both of these guys would get subbed within 3 rounds against BJ and beaten to a pulp in the standing with him. Frankie schools both of them standing and if he wants he will take them both down and manhandle them. Gray Maynard takes them down and controls them in the boring fashion we know Gray will. Neither guy is UFC top 10 nor even close to title contender. When the winner of Gray/Edgar fights Pettis you will see.

 

Pettis is a superior offensive fighter to both.

I think he's a lot better than you give him credit for.

 

I think you are mistaking flash for substance. I think Frankie Edgar schools him standing up and takes him down at will and ends it. Maynard will take him down within 30 seconds. Control him, probably pass to the mount and GNP him out. I understand what you are saying about him. Believe me, I get it. I just believe he has looked good against C fighters. Henderson is a C to possibly a B- fighter. Frankie Edgar is Top 5 LW's in the world. It is just a totally different level of fighting. The WEC LW division was average at the very best.

 

Not a totally different level of striking though.

And it's not like Edgar >>>>>>>>>>>> Henderson in terms of wrestling. Pettis will stuff some shots. Plus this kids been striking his whole life, he's far more schooled and athletic and agile than Edgar. Edgar has good basic boxing, but Pettis is superior.

Also, Maynard passing to mount? Don't say such foolishness, he's more likely to get subbed by one of the many triangles or armbars Pettis launches from his back.

Also, Pettis has one strike KO power, neither of those guys do.

 

thats what im saying

there isnt a talent gap

WEC is for the smaller guys, because thats all they were geared to do. 155 in the UFC honestly isnt that deep at all, if BJ was still the champ u would be calling all of these guys no bodys

 

Pettis may have more power, that can be debated. I would probably argue that he has been fighting extremely lesser competition and that would most likey explain most on punch KO's he has had. Okay, so calling for Maynard to pass to the mount is a bit of a hail mary pass, but he would definitely take him down and control him easily for 3 rounds. I don't think Pettis is more athletic than Edgar neither. He may have more background in striking, but that is about it. I guess we will have to put this debate to rest until they meet. Good lord I hope its Edgar. If Maynard wins, he could easily be the most boring champion of all time.:doh:

 

It's 5 rounds, which makes a huge difference, especially since Maynard makes such huge cut and fades at the end of 15 minute fights, let alone 25.

Also, I think it is pretty clear that Pettis is a more accomplished and a more explosive striker than Edgar. Edgar is getting really overrated for losing a jab fest with BJ, then beating him in a rematch with the same tactics. He probably won't beat Gray anyway, even a gassed Gray can take him down, hell BJ did repeatedly, Frankie isn't good in the clinch, he just has a good double, and it isn't indefensible.

The fact that Pettis only gets better each fight out says a lot about his chances as well.

 

Just compare the fight resume of the WECer's that you claim will hold a UFC strap soon. The existing UFCer's have all faced 'murderer's row' opposition for quite some time. Henderson and Pettis, while talented, have had to defeat........

PS - Subbing Maynard would not be as easy as you think. He's probably the strongest 155er on the roster, making submisssion escapes by sheer explosiveness a realistic possibility.

Take a look at every WEC titleholder that has crossed over to the UFC (at any weight class) and tell me how you think all of a sudden the "golden child" is at 155?:scratcher:

 

TLC lost me when he said Edgar's wrestling isn't greater than Henderson's.

 

Haven't you learned to discredit everything he says yet?

 

Funny, but the debate that is going on in this thread is exactly why the merger was a great business move. Fans are curious how the WEC fighters will stack up.

Even if Pettis,Henderson, Cerrone, etc end up being garbage in the UFC, people do want to see it.

 

I know, Bob, I am just a sucker for the debate.:doh:

 

I agree that Pettis is getting better each time out. I also like the gym he trains with, lots of good fighters and many different styles to roll with. I like Pettis alot. As you think Frankie is overrated because of two close decision wins over BJ, I think Pettis is waaaay overrated due to some nice wins against very average competition in the WEC LW division. What exactly do you mean by Pettis is a more accomplished striker? I'm not trying to be difficult, but Tae Kwon Do is not a great striking base for MMA. And hold the phone on criticizing Frankie for getting taken down by Gray Maynard and BJ. Gray Maynard, gassed or not, is a takedown machine. He is most likely the best wrestling LW in the world. Gray Maynard takes down everyone at LW and most everyone at WW. BJ is one of the best practicing BJJ guys in all of MMA. He has a nack for getting guys to the mat as well as keeping it standing. Lets not mistake anything here, BJ Penn is one of the All Time Greats in MMA.

 

I'll take a guy with a Tae Kwon Do base over a wrestler 10 times out of 10 in a kickboxing match..

Its just that simple. As much as people like to shit on it, it is proven to be viable when integrated properly in MMA.

 

Example? I honestly don't know. And just for note we aren't talking about Pettis fighting Edgar or Maynard in K-1.

 

Example?

Pettis for one. Anderson Silva has a black belt in it, and uses it in his fights.

And John Makdessi usually it almost exclusively. He beat up Pat Audinwood in his debut.

Also, that Cung Le guy...

 

Anderson Silva is a stretch. He never even states it as a discipline. I have never heard that he is a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. I looked it up just to check on your statement and you are correct, he is a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Everyone knows of his disciplines in Mauy Thai and BJJ. Funny he never represents it.

Cung Le abandoned Tae Kwon Do a long time ago and went into Kick boxing and Sansho(sp).

Not familiar with Makdessi.

Its all good. We differ in opinions. In MMA I would take a world class wrestler over a world class Tae Kwon Do practitioner any day. But to each their own. I guess we will see this debate play out before our eyes when Pettis gets the winner of Edgar/Maynard 2. Good arguement though, TLC, you brought some good shit to the table. Talk with you later, got to head to the gym.