we would find out who is really deserving of the cobra nickname in this match. carl "the gerbil" froch gets enveloped
Hearns is a better and much more accomplished fighter. But with Froch being the naturally bigger and stronger man you would have to think that he would stand a decent chance of stopping Hearns late. P4P this is not even close.
Yeah, but 168 wasn't exactly Hearns' best weight class. In fact, I'd argue that for his days as a significant fighter (which DQ's the cruiserweight tour), I'd argue that this was the worst available version or at least right there with his time spent at 175 lb. Since you asked... Froch has better stamina, a better chin and better recuperative powers. I won't dispute that Hearns could outbox him, but if it came down to a shootout I don't think he'd outlast him in a SMW fight.
I dont know, his time at 175 was brief but pretty convincing... he beat the shit out of Dennis Andries (a naturally bigger guy with a chin accustomed to 175 pounders punches) and he comprehensively outboxed Virgil Hill (he was essentially shot when he did that) who I think is at least as good as Froch Outside of Barkley's "I'm almost dead, here comes a hail mary" from nowhere to knock him out at middleweight, the only time Hearns was ever stopped early was against Hagler, who I think we can all agree resided on another planet from Carl Froch, and who still had to go through hell to get there I think it takes more than just being bigger to beat Hearns... what fighter has Froch fought who is anywhere near his class? Tommy definitely fought fighters who were as good and better
I'm trying to remember who Hearns fought at SMW... I know he had three fights, but can only remember Leonard rematch and James Kinchen. I guess whoever the third fight was, I didn't see it therefore don't have much of a frame of refefence. Still, I'd like to believe that Froch is at least as good as Kinchen. Hill was certainly more skilled, but not as tough/durable. I agree that toughness alone doesn't beat any non-corpse version of Hearns and conceded that Froch could be outboxed in this one. I just don't see it being a wipe out.
Froch may go his entire career without being stopped despite having average defense, no 147 in history would stop him. Hearns wouldn't last the distance with a guy who's constantly walk him down and throw oodles of clubbing punches on a fighter with less than stellar heart and chin.
No. Address the points or shut the fuck up. Hearns never fought a bigger volume puncher with a stellar chin and world class heart and stamina. The most rugged guys he fought in his career were Duran and Hagler. Duran being absolutely dwarfed and arguably not at his best and Hagler icing him in three rounds. Hell even a bum like Iran Barkley beat him twice by simply being tougher than him. Hearns didn't have power to stop Froch, and he definitely wasn't going to keep him off of him.
Iran Barkley won the first fight on one of the all time hail mary punches ever thrown... he was nearly dead... If you gave Iran Barkley a milliuon more chances to land that shot, he wouldnt have... he was basically a handful of bodyshots away from going to the canvas... have you actually seen that fight? Barkley won the second fight (by decision, no less) on account of Hearns being essentially a walking corpse Do you know who Juan Roldan is? (I know you don't, so save it) pretty fucking rugged guy, and a lot of dopes thought just like you that Roldan was a live underdog to beat him because he had a terrific chin, was strong as hell and hit hard and often... Hearns blasted him to the canvas four times and knocked him out Do you know who Dennis Andries is? Light Heavyweight, tough, durable, famous for his wars with Jeff Harding (another tough, brutish guy) ... Hearns jumped from 160 to 175 to fight him... he annihlated him, knocking him down SIX times en route to a KO victory Seriously, what has Carl Froch done (besides existing at a time when you are 13 years old) that clearly distances him from any of those guys? what puts him in the class of Leonard or Hagler? outside of the same million-to-one chance that Barkley had... why is it in any way a foregone conclusion that he knocks out a guy who would be far and away the greatest fighter he ever stepped inside a ring against? Tommy Hearns was twice a champion at 175, he beat (in some cases destroyed) some very good fighters there... the idea that all anyone has to do is be rambunctious and aggressive and Thomas Hearns will fall to the canvas is one of the most idiotic and oft-repeated myths in the sport... the facts dont support it... ONE fighter actually really managed to beat Thomas Hearns by coming at him and brawling, that man was Marvin Hagler... Iran Barkley did it by landing a shot he couldnt land again if you gave him a thousand chances... Ray Leonard beat on him relentlessly in the middle rounds and couldnt get him down (Leonard was a terrific puncher and as good a finisher as there has ever been) ... it was until the 14th that Hearns finally lost his steam against a guy that even you would have to admit is one of the greatest welterweights who ever lived The idea that Thomas Hearns is easy to beat just by being a willing brawler is just plain stupid, the idea that he lacked heart or courage is insulting
I'm talking about world class fighters, dude. You are exactly the type of hilarious old-timer who'll go on GD and say that essentially every current lineal champion(Pascal, Ward, etc) are shit and if were to bring them up, they'd be shit. Pascal, Abraham, JT and Andre Dirrell are shit right? Let's discredit Froch's great wins, but give Hearns credit for stopping undersized journeyman with "solid chins" that have been knocked out 4 times. Dennis Andries is a solid win, but he's all three smaller, less skilled, and less great than Froch. How are you seriously going to compare the two? That's asinine. Andries was hardly world-class, though he was tough and a good fighter. And he had been stopped before. As I said, I'd wager Froch doesn't get stopped in the prime of his career, if he gets stopped it'll be him fighting, old and shot, for a payday against a puncher.
no, they are not shit, but they arent any better than Hill or Andries... I would give Juan Roldan a fine chance of beating Jermain Taylor as well its hilarious to me that you think "old-timer" means 1985 you know jack shit about anything that happened more than 5 years ago... I dont even see you making astute observations about what is going on NOW, why the fuck should anyone give you any respect for your opinions about 25 years ago? you know what "old timer" means??? Benny Leonard, Harry Greb, Ad Wolgast... thats OLD TIMES you are trying to attach "old timer" to fighters where you can watch every goddamn fight they ever had if you're so inclined
Yes but you are one of those Bert Sugar wannabes who rates every generation of fighters worse than the next. Seriously? Are you kidding me? Journeyman above world class fighters? That's asinine. As far as your little, "Oh hes from 2010 so TLC will think he's better", I can play the same game. You probably think a simple titleist from 1970 would beat Sergio Martinez....:boohoo:
Juan Roldan...5'8 MW...Latin journeyman who spent most of his career beating up his fellow 18-12 countryman. No titles. KO'd in both title fights, along with 2 other times, "solid chin" though. Beat no one. JT - Lineal MW champion. Defeated ATG twice to win the title. Drew with possible HOF, Winky Wright. KO'd by other titleists and chin cracked and became shot. Nope...the midget MW is better because he fought Hearns and was from the 80s. Everyone now is shit.. ::
You have NEVER seen a single Dennis Andries fight... I'd bet my fucking LIFE on it... He was a fucking WORLD CHAMPION when Hearns destroyed him... he was a world champion AGAIN AFTERWARDS... how is that not WORLD CLASS??? if you are a fucking CHAMPION, then how are you not WORLD CLASS??? seriously, what does that even mean??? if a fighter is a two-time (he may have even been a three-time champ actually, I cant remember offhand) champion, how the hell does he fail to qualify as a WORLD-CLASS fighter??? is there some sort of special designation the rest of us arent aware of??? somehow, all 4 of these guys magically are world class and Dennis Andries, the multiple time champion is not? Virgil Hill??? is he also not up to your standards??? not as proven as the legendary Carl Froch? Wait, do you have to be champion to be world class? because that would mean Dirrell is not world class... unless maybe his not having won a title is somehow more impressive than Dennis Andries' multiple titles or Virgil Hill's for that matter... yeah that must be it... Dirrell, who has no world titles, is more "world class" than a guy who held the title two or three times... yeah, makes perfect sense and now Andries is also "undersized"... so Thomas Hearns, the WELTERWEIGHT, was picking on poor little Dennis Andries, a career long LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT, who you now claim was somehow SMALLER than the SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT Carl Froch??? Its gotta be trolling... how could anyone say something as stupid as that with a straight face???
Virgil Hill was good. Andries was smaller in frame than Froch. Dirrell is skilled but not on world class level. Andries was good but not elite.
My bad I thought he was a British champion, I never heard of any of the guys he beat in title fights so I assumed so. Still, point remains, he isn't bigger or more accomplished than Froch, who has wins over lineal champions at this point and is in position to win his own. Nor has Froch been stopped. Hearns was taller and had a bigger reach, as does Froch to Andries.
are you familiar with the axiom "styles make fights" ? Juan Roldan, stopped by Hagler on accumulation, and only truly knocked senseless by Thomas Hearns, was no journeyman... journeymen are guys like Harold Brazier, Mickey Ward, etc... guys who are tough and can get a quality win or a quality loss (not even going to try and explain that to you) here and there but basically lose all the time to anybody ranked in the top ten of their division... thats not Juan Roldan at all... he was a solid, tough, hard punching guy who was consistently ranked in the middleweight top ten in the 1980s... thats usually what is meant by "world class" fighter... a guy ranked in the top ten of his divison in the whole world is pretty fucking solid, wouldnt you say? ... watch his fight with Hagler, he gave Marvin a good fight in that one... and its even in COLOR You talk about a guy who could be forced to shy away from a brawl? Jermain Taylor would fit that bill pretty well... first off, he barely beat Hopkins either time (flat out LOST the second time if you ask me) and I guess Winky Wright being a junior middleweight doesnt count against him... you only reserve that type of criticism for Hearns... If Hopkins had quit dicking around and gone after him earlier instead of waiting for the ninth goddamn round in those fights, he could have beat him clean... your whole Bert Sugar thing is so fucking played out and stupid... if I;m Bert Sugar, why the hell is the greatest lightweight of all time on my list Pernell Whitaker, a guy who retired in 2001? why are Ezzard Charles Henry Armstrong and Ray Robinson the only fighters who fought at all prior to WWII on my all time P4P top 15 list? Bert Sugar is a clown, an imbecile who likes to tell stupid exaggerated stories ostensibly about boxing and boxers... Bert Sugar thinks Rocky Graziano belongs in the top 50... Bert Sugar thinks Rocky Marciano would somehow beat Lennox Lewis as for your stupid Sergio Martinez comment... do you know who the "common" Middleweight Champ was in 1970??? Carlos Monzon, and YES he would totally beat Sergio Martinez... he would beat 99% of the middleweights who ever lived at his best The Middleweight champ from 1999 would beat him too, a guy named Hopkins... also, some fellow from 1993 called Jones would also beat him, and some guy named Hagler from 1985 as well... who do you think wins, Juan Diaz or Roberto Duran? who do you have in a Tim Bradley versus Pernell Whitaker showdown??? how do you fancy Andre Berto's chances against Oscar De La Hoya or Ike Quartey? use your fucking brain for once
so HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SIT HERE AND MAKE A JUDGEMENT CALL ON IT? seriously, this is why your opinions are shite around here, because you are wilfully ignorant and expect to be taken seriously thats even dumber than Bert Sugar going on about Jim Jeffries beating Muhammad Ali or some other nonsense
Whom did Roldan beat to deserve such a ranking? Also, Sergio Martinez vs Monzon would be a good fight.
What are you talking about dude? :: I don't know shot about Danny Andries, I wasn't even talking about him, Im talking about Hearns and Froch. Froch ain't been stopped like that dude anyway, so it's moot. That dude was stopped 4 times.
