RJJ's resume STILL shits on B-Hops

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  1. ILLUMINATI

    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    It close.....

    Jones ofcourse has the victory over Hopkins that should count for something even if Hopkins was green..or had not reached his peak/prime whatever....and then he has TONEY and RUIZ(just cause he was a heavyweight)

    Hopkins has the bigger names IMO..Trinidad/De La Hoya...


    Jones beating Hops count for something...but then you add in how well HOPKINS has done against common opponents TARVER, CALZAGHE, and Glen Johnson...


    I give Hopkins a slight advantage...
     
    ILLUMINATI, Dec 26, 2010
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  2. ElTerriblee

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    What about the fact that Hopkins schooled the undisputed and undefeated middleweight champion of the world at age 43 and drew with the undisputed light-heavyweight champion of the world at age 45. :dunno:
     
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  3. The Genius

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    I can't see how you can say different really.
     
    The Genius, Dec 26, 2010
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  4. BOSS

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    When you look at it. Roy's best wins are over fat lazy Toney, green Hopkins and John Ruiz ? That's pretty weak....
     
    BOSS, Dec 27, 2010
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  5. The Genius

    The Genius DEMONRY!!

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    Hopkins wasn't green. If you want to say he was then you must also accept that Jones was also.
     
    The Genius, Dec 27, 2010
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  6. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    some folks would like to believe that the current version of hopkins is better than when jones jr defeated him
     
    Neil, Dec 27, 2010
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  7. Anthony

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    Hopkins will go down as an all time great. Rjj will always be known as a What could have been. He risked nothing at his peak. Risked even little after (ruiz was the weakest of the heavies). He never took a chance until it didnt matter. The fact that Hopkins is still relevant today is key. He should have won that fight the other day.
     
    Anthony, Dec 27, 2010
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  8. Neil

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    jones jr will be known as a phenom who was the top dog for a long time. guys like him dont come along often.
     
    Neil, Dec 27, 2010
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  9. Anthony

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    And Hopkins will be known as greater
     
    Anthony, Dec 27, 2010
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  10. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

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    i said in this thread several times that hopkins has the superior resume.

    doesnt matter, jones jr. wont be known as "what could have been"

    he will be known as a dominant phenom who barely lost a round for a decade.
    the most talented fighter many people have seen, and a guy who it was suicide to trade shots with in his prime.
     
    Neil, Dec 27, 2010
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  11. Anthony

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    Eh. Just one look at his resume and you could see it was lacking. He will be known as the person that didnt take a risk. That could have potentially beaten anyone, but feared fighting them. I guess we will have to wait and see. But even know Jones' name doesnt get brought up much.
     
    Anthony, Dec 27, 2010
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  12. REEDsART

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    R U CRAZY???...Even TODAY, Roy Jones ARGUABLY Has MORE Haters than even Floyd Mayweather Does...Honestly Dude, the More U Attempt to "Discuss" Boxing", the More IGNORANT U Seem about the Subject...

    To DATE, there's No Fewer than about 20 Fightbeat Posters that STILL CAN'T Resist Trying to DENIGRATE Roy Jones' Name Whenever the Opportunity Arises....

    REED:hammert:
     
    REEDsART, Dec 27, 2010
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  13. Joe King

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    RJJ's win over Ruiz is greater than any win Hopkins has had, so is the Toney win. It's academic after acknowledging that. Hopkins' greatest win? Tarver, and RJJ has beaten Tarver as well. Then Roy beat Hopkins himself.

    Game over.
     
    Joe King, Dec 27, 2010
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  14. Anthony

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    Name me 11.

    And aside from that. Since when does the quantity of "haters" increase the quality of a resume?
     
    Anthony, Dec 27, 2010
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  15. Anthony

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    Why is his win over Ruiz great? Ruiz wasnt the champ. Now if he beat Lennox, this dicussion would not even being taking place. But Ruiz? Come on man.
     
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  16. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    Let's not try to revise history here. Going in, Jones/Ruiz was huge. That was looked at as a big risk fight for Jones. And it's arguably greater than anything Hopkins has done.
     
    steve_dave, Dec 27, 2010
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  17. Anthony

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    Ruiz is arguably one of the worst Heavies in History. Yes it was a big fight, but lets be honest. Many people critized jones for not fighting Lennox. As for being bigger than anything Hopkins has done, maybe. But Hopkins overall career is bigger than RJJ's. THe fact that RJJ didnt even defend his heavyweight title once proves his lack of risk taking. He choose the weakest man in the division, beat him, and then ran like the wind back down to a thought to be, easy Tarver.
     
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  18. steve_dave

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    No, Ruiz isn't one of the worst heavyweights in history. And I don't remember anyone with any credibility criticizing Jones for not fighting Lewis. Sure, it would have been fun, but there was no serious demand for that fight.

    And I agree, overall, Hopkins has had a better career. But I'm not interesting in changing history, or diminishing a fine boxing moment, to get to that conclusion.
     
    steve_dave, Dec 27, 2010
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  19. Anthony

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    I disagree. Ruiz is one of the worst. THe man is an embarassment. And if you dont remember people critizing jones for fighting ruiz and not lennox, you have memory problems. After beating Ruiz, Jones was claiming to be the Heavyweight Champ of the world. Many people were bashing him.
    Why do you think he chose ruiz?
     
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  20. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    There have been thousands of heavyweight boxers. A guy who was able to stick around the top-10 for a decade is not one of the worst.

    No one was demanding that Jones fight Lennox. Especially not before he fought Ruiz.

    He chose Ruiz because Ruiz had a belt and he was a reasonable enough size for Jones to try his hand at heavyweight. The fact is, about half the board picked Ruiz to knock Jones silly.
     
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  21. Anthony

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    Again i disagree. I think Ruiz is one of the worst. But hey, if you think John Ruiz is good. Good for you.

    I never said people were demanding Jones fight Lennox before Ruiz. I said that people questioned why Ruiz and not Lewis. But we all knew the answer. Ruiz was seen as the least risky opponent. The fact is that Ruiz was ranked #5 by the ring magazine at the time, despite having some belt. So basically, Roy beat the #5 contender for the ACTUAL heavyweight Title that Lennox owned. Good for him. But this has been done before. There have been fighters less greater than RJJ that have beat bigger fighters better than Ruiz.
     
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    How could a fighter that was ranked #5 in the world be one of the worst boxers ever? :lol:

    Did anyone really have to explain why Jones, the light heavyweight champion, was fighting Ruiz and not 6'5, 250LBS Lennox Lewis? You really needed an explanation?

    At the time, Jones was applauded by his fans and his critics for taking the Ruiz fight. That's really all I can say.
     
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  23. The Genius

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    Ahhhh.... Revisionism.

    Gotta love it.
     
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  24. Anthony

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    He was ranked high because of his Belt. Plain and Simple. AGAIN. If you think Ruiz was good, GOOD FOR YOU.

    Some people actually did need an explination. Hell he didnt even want to fight Chris Byrd. No No No. He wanted John Ruiz. And he beat him. Good for you Roy. Good for you Toney, Good for you Haye.

    BTW, didnt ruiz start his career at Cruiserweight?
     
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    :bangh:
     
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  26. Anthony

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    Sorry im not going to agree with you. Ruiz IMO was one of the worst heavyweight titleholders in history. Im glad you are a fan. Im not. Deal with it.

    As for RJJ vs. Ruiz, again, Ruiz was basically a contender. The #5 contender for Lewis' belt. That is who Jones beat. A # 5 contender. Good for him. But like i said. Lesser/smaller fighters than jones have beaten better/bigger fighters than Ruiz.
     
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    Who said anything about titleholders? You've been rambling about him being one of the worst heavyweight fighters ever for about an hour now.
     
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  28. Anthony

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    It was obvious what i was talking about it. After noticing your nitpicking, i realized i needed to clarify for you.
     
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    No, it wasn't obvious. I can only go by what you say. Your posts are rarely clear.

    You disagreed with this line - There have been thousands of heavyweight boxers. A guy who was able to stick around the top-10 for a decade is not one of the worst.

    How was it obvious? You're having a tough time here, man.
     
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  30. Anthony

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    Well sorry it wasnt clear enough.

    Having a hard time with what? LOL Your constant mistake is thinking opinion is fact. You still havent learned that your opinion isnt better than anyone else's on here.

    I will continue to say that Jones Beating a #5 ranked heavyweight isnt as great as some here would think. Its was a good acomplishment. But it doesnt make his legacy better than Hopkins. Hopkins clearly has the better legacy and the better career.
     
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