Who wins? I don't think JMM can hurt Castillo. He could've carved him up, but not without absorbing punishment of his own. What happens when Castillo figures out how to counter JMM's right-hand with his left hook to the body? What happens when Castillo manages to out-jab JMM, much as he did PBF? What happens? Not just who wins, but what happens?
Gimme Castillo by decision. Even though you Double have a tendacy to overrate the hell outta Castillo(you once said he'd have beaten Pryor, LMAO) he was a light year better than Katsidis and Baby Cow. I think he'd mug Marquez a bit late, and come away with a decision.
Marquez would out-point Castillo narrowly in a great, great clash. A lot will go Castillo's way & if Marquez weren't as tough or as bitterly-determined as he is, you would count him out, but as I see him really finding a home for most of his better counters, I think he edges it over Castillo's successful bodywork. 6-5-1, Marquez just nicks a terrific battle.
Castillo by punishing close UD. Marquez takes the lead early but Castillo stays in there and starts hurting JM often by the 4th, 5th and closes the show by dropping and punishing Marquez late. Great fight.
Castillo by decision....or late TKO...fight is close for the first 6 rounds...then Castillo more punishing shots start taking an effect and he dominates the 2nd half of the fight... I don't see Marquez winning this at all....Castillo was a few levels above Katsidis..Diaz...etc..
agree with Castillo surging late in this fight, enough to edge out a close decision in a terrific battle
I have to take Castillo, he's much bigger and much more suited to the weight. Hell of a fight, though. Castillo is one of my favorite fighters from the past 10-15 years. IMO the version that beat down Lazcano, went to war with Corrales, and gave PBF all he could handle was better than JCC.
If you've never heard the opinion that Castillo (who was JCC's sparring partner) eclipsed JCC, you need to expand your horizons in the boxing world beyond this forum. But tbh what I meant to say was that he would've beaten JCC. Though I think either statement is true in any case, and I'm not sure why anyone would find that laughably absurd. JCC is the #1 most overrated fighter of all time.
Perhaps in that place where they wear football helmets inside, and eat jujubees all day thats a popular opinion, but in the rational world.... no Ive never heard anybody say that Castillo was better than JCC. And saying he would have beaten JCC only makes you sound more ignorant. Kind of a hard to beat a man thats better than you at every single facet of the fight game.
chavez was better than castillo. castillo was a bigger guy at lightweight, but that is about the only edge he had in anything
Its arguably if Castillo even beats Ramirez. I think Chapo would have stopped him. Prime Taylor would have kicked the crap outta Castillo with no question. I dunno how on earth beating fuckin Juan Lazcano 8-4 is evidence that he could handle a top 5 all time 135-140 pounder like Chavez. Thats JUST as retarded as Double L once saying Castillo would have beaten Pryor.
And even with the edge he'd have in pounds.... he wasnt as physically strong as Chavez so it'd mean nothing. And furthermore loadedgloves... the Lazcano fight isnt even a good example. Castillo's best performace in a win was probably against Cesar Bazan. That was him at his true best.
*shrug* There's really nothing for me to respond to here. What can I say to "OMGZzz JCC IS A LEGEND!!!!11?" As for what's arguable, it's arguable whether JCC even beat Laporte or Rocky Lockridge. I also think Floyd Jr would've schooled Chavez and shut him out at 130 lbs. I know the rest is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but I hope you're joking about SRL ducking Pryor.
The Castillo/Chavez comparison basically defines the idiom 'a poor man's....'. Castillo was an excellent, excellent champion (IMO a deserving HOFer), but that's just clearly the way it is to anybody with a slither of sense.
I think that was true at one point. I think that, combined with JCC's legend status, makes it difficult for people to judge the two objectively. On the other hand, I tend to underrate fighters who have legions of nuthuggers, just because they're so annoying. So perhaps there's bias at play on my end as well. FWIW I'm not a Castillo nuthugger by any means, I'm one of the few who believes he lost the first fight to Floyd fair & square.
First of all, a hyphenated word is one word, not two. As of recently bullshit may no longer need a hyphen. Many once-hyphenated words are later generally accepted as non-hyphenated. But let's be clear - bullshit once upon a time was a hyphenated word. Question: should pig-shit be hyphenated? What about man-shit?
Shit, you know what? I don't think the difference between Chavez & Castillo is as great as some people would make out either. Wins over Stevie Johnston, Joe Casamayor, Corrales, Lazcano & Bazan are good going. Giving Floyd the closest fight of his career proved he could at least compete with the best of the best. It's not a million miles worse than beating Rosario, Camacho, Ramirez, Mayweather & eeeeking out a win over Taylor. They aren't miles apart, but Chavez does have the better resume and he was generally much more impressive in the way he secured it, even leaving aside (as Im wont to) Castillo's pre-prime defeats & late career spiral.
Chavez didnt just beat Rosario, he sacrificed him to the gods He didnt just beat Camacho, he surgically took him apart and won every round... he knocked Mayweather senseless the first time and took him apart the second time... those fights were not even remotely close... he took it relatively easy on Ramirez, but won handily... he performed vivisection on Azabache Martinez and Ruben Castillo... these fights werent particularly competetive... every one of those fighters was VERY superior to Juan Lazcano and Bazan, not even close... Corrales loses to most (not all) of those guys, as does Stevie Johnston and Casamayor Castillo had very close fights with Johnston, he was knocked out by Corrales... Floyd won easy the second time around, which gave creedence to his claims of injury the first time Chavez was a superior fighter to Castillo in every possible respect, every means of measuring a fighters skill and greatness... it IS that big a gap Castillo belongs in the discussion with Ramirez, but I dont see him as being any better than him... for Castillo, they are on the same level at best
