Jose Luis Castillo vs Thomas Hearns @ 147

Who wins?

 

:: I knew this was coming....only took 3 days...

 

You're not trying to suggest this thread has an agenda are you?

HOW DARE YOU!!! :nono:

 

Hearns via stink!

And by stink I mean he leaves Castillo's dead body with a odor.

 

Hearns would probably use his height to out-box Castillo and experience little of the difficulty that PBF did against Castillo.

Still, Hearns could be his own worst enemy, and at 147, he was extremely fragile. If Castillo could lure him into trading, or catch him with a counter-uppercut, there's no telling where Hearns' stick legs would go.

Unlike SRL, Castillo would not have been so discouraged and would've taken more chances to get inside.

This fight, assuming Castillo were somehow reinvigorated as a welter-weight, would not be as one-sided as everyone thinks.

Remember. This is Hearns at 147 we're talking about. Not Hearns at 154 or above where he became more durable. At 147 he was as fragile as they come.

 

Yeah...Hearns was oh so fragile at 147 that he was only ever stopped once at that weight in the 14th round against an equally great fighter in Ray Leonard. And if Hearns were as fragile as you claim...he never would have made it out of the 6th and 7th rounds against Leonard where he was hurt and pounded all over the place by Leonard but never hit the canvas, and then was able to not only survive, but regain control of the fight from rounds 8 -12. Hell...I don't even recall seeing Hearns in any real trouble in any of his other fights at 147.

Castillo has NO CHANCE what so ever with Hearns or Leonard at 147. He would get stopped, brutally and early by Hearns. Leonard would also beat him handily...maybe not as quicky as Hearns but also in one sided fashion.

I know you are the biggest Castillo nuthugger who ever lived...but let's be realistic here.

 

Anyone who thinks Castillo would do anything except die in this fight is insane

 

:: Leonard stops him in a long war and he's "as fragile as they come"

 

hearns weighed less in the ring vs leonard than castillo did for most all of his lightweight bouts.

 

:bears:

 

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Something few people seem willing to factor into these MMs. That said, Castillo has precisely zero chance in this fight either way. And I say that as a long time admirer of JLC.

 

Castillo could come in at 160 and it wouldn't matter.

 

Castillo dies in the ring, assuming the referee is a sadist

 

:atu:

fuck

 

If we're talking short, squat-stanced in-fighters, then replace Castillo with Carmen Basilio & maybe you have a fight...

In all honesty, Castillo gets brutalised.

 

99 times out of 100, I'd take Hearns by domination and/or destruction. The 1 time out of 100 is because there's a small chance for a Blade/Hearns type ending in this fight.

 

I think that 1 time out of 100 would be more likely with somebody willing to be reckless like Mayorga. I don't see Castillo turning the trick.

 

Hearns was fragile at 147 :atu:

 

no there isnt

there is NO CHANCE of that happening... NONE

Sugar Ray Leonard punched a lot harder than Castillo, a LOT HARDER

there is NO POSSIBILITY of Castillo doing anything except being completely annihlated

 

Castillo wasn't a shrinking violet himself when it came to taking punishment. But whether or not Castillo could do it (highly unlikely he could), a guy like Mayorga would never stand any chance, no matter how crazy he was willing to be (and this is coming from someone who always appreciated Mayorga).

I can dig that point of view. I agree SRL was obviously the much harder puncher between the two.

 

Well, having seen Castillo compete now at 147, cleary he would've had no chance against Hearns.

But Hearns was not what I'd call a durable fighter, especially at 147 where he was artificially light and tended to tire as a result.

 

Take Castillo at his very best...and make him a welterweight..and he would STILL have NO CHANCE vs. Hearns....

 

Uh. No. He'd have a chance for sure.

Castillo projected to 147 pounds would be a hefty welterweight - bigger than Duran.

 

A projected welterweight Castillo might be bigger than Duran.....but he would only be 1/4 as good...

 

It was just a point of reference. A welterweight projection of Castillo would've beaten all of the guys that Hearns beat at 147.

 

retarded

"projected"... what the fuck is that?

lets deal with reality here... Castillo was not a welterweight

And Thomas Hearns was hardly fragile... it took Sugar Ray Leonard 14 rounds

It would take Sugar Ray Leonard three rounds to get Castillo out of there, tops

it would take Hearns no more than one

one right hand and Castillo is dead

Pipino Cuevas would have eaten Jose Luis Castillo

 

Tommy ate Mexicans for bfast, lunch, and dinner.

 

yeah? name the best one he beat?

 

a. We're not dealing with reality in any case - these are mythical match-ups afterall.

b. A 147 pound projection of Castillo was supposed in response to Illum's proposal that a welterweight version of Castillo at his best could not have hung with Hearns.

c. Take away Cuevas' size advantage and he'd be systematically broken down by Castillo

d. Hearns exceptional boxing ability, not his durability, kept him in the SRL fight as long as he did.

e. When I say Hearns was fragile, I'm referring strictly to the 147 pound, artificially light Hearns, for whom stamina was a problem.

The problem with so many of these debates is that certain fighters are such sentimental favorites, that the mere suggestion they have even one vulnerability is taken personally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projection_(linear_algebra)