Jose Luis Castillo vs Thomas Hearns @ 147

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serious retardation happening above^^^

projection??? ok, a 135 pound projection of Ricardo Lopez actually murders Castillo... what a stupid bunch of nonsense... now we can PROJECT dimensions onto fighters?

WHY would we take away his size advantage? He ACTUALLY WAS a welterweight, Castillo wasnt... thats why your entire point of view is retarded

So his exceptional boxing ability was what he was using to absorb the dozens of crushing shots he took from Leonard while pinned to the ropes in the middle rounds of that fight?

so a fighter who goes 32-1 (28) and wins a world title at the weight while crushing the most feared KO artist in the sport and is floored ONE TIME in 33 fights by a guy who is at worst the third greatest welterweight ever in the 14th round of an epic fight where he has sustained A LOT of punishment is "fragile"????

The problem with these debates is not sentimentality, it is the COMPLETE AND TOTAL LUNACY offered up by people like you attempting to rewrite history and use absurd theoretical positions based on wishful pseudo science as a means of defending outlandish, senseless positions

The simple reality is this: If Jose Luis Castillo on his best day was in the ring against Thomas Hearns on his best day, the result is a one sided annihlation by Thomas Hearns... this is a not a knock on Castillo, who was a fine fighter... it is the simple reality that Castillo, like every other lightweight, has absolutely no business being in the ring with Tommy Hearns

 

Hey I'm not the one who introduced the premise of a full-fledged welterweight Castillo. I was responding to someone else's having done that. So stop strapping me with that, like it was my idea.

 

Are you really still going on this? You have no basis in fact for saying Hearns was fragile at 147.

 

Fragile is too strong of word. I agree. Durable? No.

Hearns did not have a good chin. This was especially true at 147.

As with all great fighters, Hearns more than compensated for his biggest weakness with an array of other strengths: power, boxing ability, height among others.

Get over it. Hearns wasn't perfect.

 

I never said anything about Hearns having a great chin. You said:

That has no basis in fact. If by get over it you're saying I should stop pointing out things that are incorrect then I'd have to decline.

 

how many welterweights hurt the fragile hearns?

 

I already conceded that fragile was too strong a word. What the fuck do you want me to do? Kris. Now can you get over it? Now that I've said TWICE that I was wrong to call King Hearns, "fragile?"

 

I'm not sure. But I bet Neil knows.

 

I agree that the weakness of Hearns' chin at 147 is exaggerated. SRL was a very hard puncher at 147 and he landed flush on multiple occasions. People even argued the stoppage as being premature - it's not like Hearns was down and out.

If Hearns and Cuevas had never fought, people would be posting about how Cuevas could take out Hearns at 147 in mythical matchups today. Yes, SRL did it, but people seem to forget that SRL is an ATG at welterweight.

 

Who in the hell is Kris?:dunno:

 

Castillo is too hittable for Hearns, but he wouldn't go out in 1 round like Cdogg suggested. That's ludicrous.

 

Hearns would make short work of Castillo.

 

Cuevas went out in two... Cuevas was a very strong welterweight

Castillo was a very strong LIGHTWEIGHT

Hearns absolutely destroys him and it would take no longer than one round

 

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Castillo, if nothing else, has a cast iron jaw. No one would knock him out in 1 round.

Marvin Hagler was a steel-jawed Middleweight. Does this mean that Bob Foster would have knocked him out in 1 round at Light heavyweight? After all Foster KO'd tough LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT Dick Tiger in only 4 rounds.

 

Foster very well could have done just that... I would never in a million years put Hagler in such a matchup and give him even a snowball's chance in hell of winning

Castillo was knocked spark out by Cesar Soto... I mean OUT... he was also knocked out by Diego Corrales and Ricky Hatton... I dont see how that gives him a Hagler-esque chin, nor does it in anyway make him anywhere near as good a fighter as Hagler was

Thomas Hearns absolutely ends Castillo's life, in no more than a round

 

The only way this debate makes any sense at all is if you have a broad enough mind to imagine a proportionally bigger Castillo - a welterweight version of the bruising lightweight that we all know.

If you can't or won't accept that premise for the purpose of debate, then let's not even discuss such a pointless matchup.

 

see, I prefer to deal in REALITY

in REALITY, Jose Luis Castillo was a lightweight and Thomas Hearns was a giantic Welterweight

in REALITY, Jose Luis Castillo as his actual real self, not a made-up genetically altered version, gets destroyed

 

we should imagine castillo as a 165+lbs welterweight instead of a 154+lbs lightweight?

 

Either way, 190lbs welterweight Castillo still gets sparked in two rounds or less.

 

Yeah, but what if Castillo got to wear a football helmet and had porcupine quills??

 

man you are funny.

Don't quit your day job, old man.

 

Poor, poor Stafford...so obsessed, so pathetic...

 

In reality they fought under different weigh in rules & Castillo came into the ring weighing more than a welterweight Thomas Hearns did.

 

Exactly. By correct 1980 standards he already was a welterweight.

 

precisely

if we are going to use the weigh in thing as our new criteria, then just do away with weight classes of today and use the fighters weights in the ring... I just think it makes things a pain in the ass if all of the lightweight division today is actually the welterweight division, etc. ... from now on, that would mean we'd have to be consistent in that observation across the board... Juan Manuel Marquez didnt fight Katsidis for the lightweight title, they fought for the Welterweight title, since both exceeded 140 pounds

 

hed have gotten iced regardless

 

i understand that you're not interested in imagining a welterweight version of Castillo. but let's not pretend that anything discussed here has is dealing strictly with REALITY. it's not which is why it's called mythical matchups.

either way, given your unwillingness to imagine such a version of Castillo, i see no point at all of discussing this match-up since obviously Castillo would get smoked, probably in a fashion not unlike the way Duran was crushed by Hearns.

 

No doubt. Just not because he's a 'lightweight'. Because in 1980 he isn't, he's a welterweight like Cuevas or Palomino or Duran.

 

and he dies