Hey Caligula

While you were busy not being impressed with Campbell, and thinking that all he did was land a headbutt, did you miss the 400 or so punches he landed throughout the fight? ::

Don't be a fucking twat, that was a Class A performance, a career best performance. Diaz was grinding forward, getting inside, and Campbell used his head - so what?

It's nothing that many other world class fighters don't do too, including hatton, floyd, and any other good infighter.

It was dirty, it was roughouse, but it was a fucking good performance. You're acting like all he did was headbutt him. He punched the shit out of him, and it was the punches that discouraged him and helped make that cut so bad. It was also Diaz' that did most of the holding, and Diaz that just gave up mentally when faced with Nate's determination.

 

dsimon writes:

Cambell did a hell of a job. And he even got a point deducted that was not warranted at the time. Mex the thing is that when a guy comes foward head first.... you kind of have to do something like that to keep him off. I agree with you Nate was well within his bounds to make Diaz think first about coming in head first.

All credit to Cambell and Diaz has time to get back on his horse and make some adjustments. He is going to have to learn to get more leverage on his punches so they have more effect imo.

 

The thing is, I just don't think he can. Look at the way he punches, he's putting as much as he can behind them, but they are still just slaps.

He just doesn't have the natural explosion of energy to produce good power. He has some physical strength, but no power.

That's his main shortcoming really. He'll never have enough power to be an elite fighter.

 

Yep, it's like someone took Fernando Vargas and give him Spinks hands. I'm still surprised he did as good as he did and stayed undefeated for as long as he did. I was just starting to believe in him too, even though I missed the 2 fights that hyped it all up. ::

 

Vargas in his short lived prime was a far better fighter than Diaz.

 

Man, I love you guys, but you're sounding too much like casual mainstream quasi-ignorant boxing fans - and not the knowledgeable hardcore fanatics I know you are.

The kid is 24 and just got beaten for the FIRST time in a COMPETITIVE fight....after having won the title at 20 years of age; beating some tough cookies like Contreras and Lorenzo coming up; then emphatically beating Sim, Lorcy, Jose Miguel Cotto, Angulo - then Julio Diaz and Freitas in a row and partly unifying the title in the process.

That's a string of very good victories, especially for such a young fighter.

And along the way he's come MUCH further than ANY of us - myself included - thought he could.

Add to that he certainly had distractions coming into this fight.

He lost to a veteran who on his best day can pretty much beat anyone at lightweight.

Apparently, Diaz irritates some of you guys to no end - so this finally gives you your opportunity to "let loose" after picking against him for so long only to be frustrated. ::

Fine if you don't like him - he's never been my favorite either - but let's not act like idiots, gentlemen.::

Peace.

 

Caligula wasn't impressed because Campbell won the fight by throwing punches. He is used to seeing his favourite fighter holding all night for the win.

 

You are a good man Donny.

 

Like I said in another thread, every thing that worked for Campbell worked against a one eyed fighter with no vision on one side of his bady and who had to fight to protect that eye. Why was he against a one eyed fighter? Because he headbutted his opponent intentionally in the very first round and then opened the cut with punches in the clinch. I'm not impressed. Since you are trying to call me out here, can i count on you to back Campbell with $$ in a rematch with a competent ref.

NOT IMPRESSED!!!

 

1nce Again, REED is FORCED into AGREEING w/this Particular Stance of yours, Fucker:doh: :: ...

Sure, the BOTTOM LINE is that Nate BEAT Juan Diaz, but to just Completely IGNORE the TACTICS Nate Used N Winning is Bullshit...FAIR is FAIR....& Nate's Approach was Anything BUT that...

Bottom Line, Juan Diaz was a BLOODY, DISTRACTED Fighter for the MAJORITY of the Bout...& He BECAME Bloody Due to an ILLEGAL, INTENTIONAL Headbutt from Nate Campbell...

REED is AMAZED @ How Soooo FEW Look @ the ENTIRE Fight, when Guaging what Transpired...

Nate's Headbutt was Sooooooo BLATANT, it Seemed PLANNED...& if U Walk Into a Fight TRYING to ILLEGALLY Handicap a Guy 1st, it's Cause U DOUBT your Ability to Beat him CLEANLY...

REED

 

If I fighter loses, he's just no good.

 

If a fighter gives a career best performance, and beats a much hyped undefeated champion, he deserves a lot of credit.

Something you seem unwilling to give Campbell, and you haven't even seen the fight.

 

Campbell wasn't supposed to win the Kid Diamond fight either...and he did. The betting odds that night were about as skewed as they were last night. What did Campbell do after that fight?

 

After that fight he lost to Isaac, but in your own sarcastic words "A fighter loses now and he's rubbish".

So sure, he had a loss, but he's now redeemed himself for beating the shit out of Diaz, and becoming the first to defeat him. He deserves credit, end of story.

 

Diaz lost ONE FIGHT. Campbell has made a career out of it, homeboy. My own sarcastic words mean nothing in this instance.

I never said he doesnt deserve credit. Im just not going to gobble his cock and shit all over Diaz because he won ONE FIGHT.

 

I'm not gobbling his cock and shitting over Diaz either. But you haven't even seen the fight, maybe you should reserve judgement.

My opinion is that nate was very impressive. He showed toughness, determination, skill, guts, good power etc. He just outmanned and outwilled Diaz, and to be honest just looked like the better fighter in there.

Towards the end of the fight, Diaz just bottled it, and basically admitted he was content to finish the fight, like a journeyman.

So essentially, based on yes - just this one fight - I don't think Diaz is quite as good as a lot of you thought he was.

Maybe after you actually see the fight, you'll agree with me.

 

One fight from anyone doesn't mean they're good, or not. So I doubt that.

 

Although you hate knee jerk reactions, and sometimes they can be overboard, you've heard the expression in boxing "you're only as good as your last fight" right?

Your statement is absurd.

With many fighters it does take just 1 fight to let us know whether they are for real, or "exposed" shall we say.

Hamed against Barrera, clearly he wasn't as good as you and many others believed.

Pacman against Barrera, proved he was much, much better than most people thought, including me.

Pavlik against Taylor 1. That's when we really knew Kelly was for real.

Hatton against Tszyu. That one fight was all it took to know hatton was for real.

Zab against Tszyu ::

I could go on and on, your statement is preposterous.

 

Dsimon writes:

Thats probably a true statement.

I do think he can punch a lot harder than he is though. I would have him time it so that when he really unwinds and grunts initially on a shot his foot hits and his weight shifts as his fist contacts the target. I actually like Dempsey's book because he talks about how to deliver power shots by hitting with your weight fowards.

Diaz also has good enough balance that he could shift his center a bit more fowards when he is unloading.

 

dsimon writes:

The nock that Diaz could hit a bit harder is legitimate Donny. I don't agree that he can't improve that aspect of his game, that point of view is a bit too fatalistic for my understanding of body mechanics, besides which Diaz is a smart kid who seems flexible in the cabasa.

But improve his power he should! Part of the game is learnig from one's mistakes. Another point which has something to do with your defense of Diaz is also valid though.... lets face it in the lower divisions guys with dynamite in their hands is a rarity. In that respect Campbell is a rarer bird than Diaz. So we are let with either letting Juan fight in a way that will forestall his longevity and may make expose him now that campbell laid a blueprint out, or seeing if Juan can generate more power.

 

dsimon writes:

yeah but in all fairness this was an impressive fight Tam. Campbell deserves a lot of credit and his stock should go up based on this outing. This fight definitely means campbell is good. To put things in perspective he is the best in the division. Casamayer is rubbish right now. He got a gift decision his last fight. I think Mex's point is spot on.

 

I never said anything to the contrary...I started in this because someone called Campbell and 'A-Level talent' and then the chorus line of excuse makers for his entire up and down career began. Thats some bullshit and that is the extent of my involvement here.

 

dsimon writes:

Part of the problem is that Campbell got started late. If he was 25 and inconsistant it might have been more forgivable. He is the man in the division now though. I mean Casamayore is total rubbish now, shot through and through. Katsidas is the only other worthy and he is not exactly a model of consistancy.

 

:: You're defending Campbell...and what does your last sentence say?

 

I see Tam neglected to respond to my destruction of his latest post.

 

The thing is, I don't think Casa is shot through and through. He is past his best, for sure, but not completely shot.

Although I shall be rooting for Katsidis, I have a gut feeling Casamayor is going to be too tough and crafty.

 

dsimon writes:

He really looked shitty his last fight and no way no how should he have gotten that decision against the inept Santa Cruz. Maybe that was an exception, its possible.

 

dsimon writes:

That Katsidas is the only other guy with a pulse in the division. And? :dunno: And if you think opening up a cut on Juan was easy.....::

Tam you just don't like Campbell. So I will take the autographed glove I got from him that I was going to send to you and just give it to Mex.... Even if it does say "To Tam my number one fan who inspired me to beat the baby bull and cut him too. ::

 

I made it clear to Simon what the intention of my stance was. Your quote of "youre only as good as your last fight: ain't something I subscribe to, so why am I going to sit down and reply to a post stating that? I already made it clear.

Don't go overboard with this 4th grade "destruction" rubbish either. I respect you enough to debate on the level with you, so pay it back.

 

I don't like a lot of fighters. With Campbell, its different. I don't need to sit back and say "fuck it all, I just don't like Nate. Because.". His career is right there in front of everyone. He's lost to a BUNCH of different kinds of fighters. Thats not inconsistency, thats a pattern. It's going to happen again before long.