Mayweather was fighting Castillo with ONE good arm in his first fight at Lightweight and he still won at least 7 rounds. In the rematch he won at least 8 rounds. Unfair to use the injured Mayweather of the first Castillo fight as an indication of what an injury-free Floyd would do with Duran. Also as Hut said, many underrated Floyd's "hit and not get hit" prowess. Sure, as Ramonza suggested, compubox isn't the be all and end all...BUT...it is worth knowing that in terms of punches landed vs punches landed against..Floyd's stats are FAR ABOVE anyone else in the game. Floyd is VERY accurate, and when was the last time you saw Floyd with any signs on his face that he was in a fight? He virtually never gets hit.
No disputing that. Not in this lifetime. He still is short on career competition against Whitaker, but then again, the first-half of his career, competition-wise, gets a little too overlooked.
Mayweather was a better fighter than Whitaker, but had not nearly the success as a 135 pounder than Pernell had and thus cannot rank in front.
You really need to remove the "at least" part in both of those sentences to lend any legitimacy to your claim. There was no "at least" about it. He won no more than seven rounds in the first fight, and while taking a solid seven in the rematch, to claim he even won eight is a bit of a stretch. To suggest he won any more than that is an outright lie. Now to move closer back to the direction of the thread... Using your own argument of a healthy Floyd, fighting Duran the way he did in the Castillo rematch, I have to agree with cdogg that the safety-first approach would not get the job done. I don't say that as a guy who pretends that 135 lb. Duran is invincible. But I also don't pretend that Floyd came anywhere close to providing his best body of work - line results or what he actually did in the ring - at that weight, either. If anything, I thought it was the most disappointing portion of his career.
I thought he won 8 rounds of the first fight actually. I gave the first 5 to Floyd as well as the 8,10 and 11. But that's just me, and no arguments for people that had it closer. SO AT LEAST 7 rounds, is fair from my point of view. I hear what you're saying about the rematch though. Floyd won no more than 8 rounds there. My bad. We don't know HOW Floyd would fight Duran, that's the thing with Floyd. He's safety first with a non-threats like Baldomir and Marquez, but aggressive against hard hitting fighters like Judah and Mosley. Puts on a clinic against Gatti and Corrales, goes to war with Ndou and Burton (Augustus). Shows his inside strength vs Hatton, rope-a-dope vs Jesus Chavez and stinks out the joint to an extent with De La Hoya. My point is, There are so many ways Floyd can fight an opponent, he's multi-dimensional and unpredictable, and he's one of the best mid-fight adjusters of any guy we've seen in the ring. Yes, I'm a fan of the fighter. :bears: So regarding Duran...we don't know how Floyd will fight him, but we do know that Floyd has many tools in his arsenal and many tricks up his sleeve. Great fighter! :cheer:
I don't think the fact we don't know "how" PBF would fight Duran is irrelevant. Safety first he loses. And he certainly loses otherwise. And by the way, it's not a mystery to me the approach he's taken with various fighters. Basically, if he has a strength advantage, he moves them back. If he doesn't, he fights safety-first. It's as simple as that. And as a result very much predictable.
come on, hut, Compubox is hardly that meaningful a tool... Whitaker took a lot more chances offensively than Floyd usually has, he fought on the inside at close range a lot more than Floyd ever has, when you do that you will take more shots... It still doesnt qualify anything to me, Compubox... its a meaningless excercise in button mashing which fails to take into account any number of variables
Don't know if I quite agree with that. It's not the bee-all end all of anything, but it's certainly a very useful eye witness account of things.
it fails to take into account how hard the punches are, the effectiveness of the punches, etc. ... Paulie Malinaggi could be boxing Alexis Arguello and he may land 30/95 while Arguello is landing 15/50 ... Arguello is probably winning that round in reality, since one shot from him is worth about 10 from Malinaggi... all so-called power punches in compubox are worth the same thing... a swatting, half hearted hook to the body is a "power punch" in compubox, it is worth as much as a compact, devastating Ward/Chavez/Barrera/Hearns left hook to the body... there's no qualification, its all just quantity, thats the biggest problem I have with it, and its the main reason I almost never use it as evidence in an argument... I think it works as an interesting sort of by-line, but I dont think it has much concrete value
Yup, it's like amateur scoring in that respect, which you know I despise with a hard, throbbing passion. But like I said, that it isn't the be all and end all doesn't mean it isn't a very useful finger at the moon.
