Who would you boot from the Hall of Fame??

Glen is a fan favorite, a perennial underdog, fought many other guys who will be future HOF'ers (won his share), and loved by the Boxing Press for his general persona. I think eventually they find a place for him and there will be a lot of discussion about his actual merits.

Medina fought in lower weight classes, picked up a ton of belts, but I don't think he was ever considered "the man" or even close to it, in any division he was in. I think he will be forgotten about and I'd be shocked if he got in.

 

medina wasn't the most exciting, but i enjoyed his thorough schooling of scott harrison in europe.

he should've gotten the nod vs. tapia too.

glenn johnson is a hall of famer imo.

 

If Johnson retired tomorrow he wouldn't be a slam dunk first ballot guy but still a strong cadidate for consideration. He could cement his place with some good work in the Super 6.

Medina? Meh

 

He gave Hamed a good little scrap too, I liked Medina.

 

Medina made me truly hate punch-stats. He began the trend of guys like Jim Lampley trying to tell us that judges really should look at how many punches a guy threw and not really how many they actually landed.

Lamps loves the shoeshine flurry!

Medina would throw 1500 punches a fight, land 5% of them, and 85% of those landed would be of the grazing variety.

 

medina fought pretty much every name in the featherweight division minus morales and barrera. he's a four time world champion and actually beat some good fighters in the process. not sure if that's hall of fame worthy, but it was certainly a feat that's hard to match even w/ all these additional belts available. just ask rocky juarez.

i think he should be in the hall.

 

4 division champion Legenardy Leo Gamez certainly belongs in ahead of dozens of frauds

 

gamez was venezuela's favorite son. wba made sure he got title shots in every weight class he fought in.

myung woo yuh should get inducted first.

 

He seems like one of the bigger oversights I can think of right now.

 

yuh wasnt a FOUR DIVISION CHAMP like Gamez, plus he got 2 hometown gifts in Korea vs the legendary 1.

 

the first one was a draw at best. rematch was won legitimately by the greatest jr. fly of all time w/ 17 consecutive title defenses.

for the record, gamez was 1-4 against koreans!

chang would've put a serious hurting on him.

 

Yep, I'm very familar with the records of both. Neither are secrets shrouded in mystery.

For me, it's just the win against Honeyghan by Starling. The guy finally, for one night, put all his promise and potential together and destroyed a guy that owned the division for a couple years. It was that career defining win that Curry lacked in my opinion.

Again, I am in the minority and I honestly have no problem with Curry getting in as well. Curry was a very talented fighter for a brief period. He certainly deserves a spot over the guy I would eliminate.

 

Starling also ruined Mark Breland and had an excellent win over a younger Simon Brown, he was supposed to be nothing more then fodder for.




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Gamez whupped your boy both times! and wouldve counter punched chang to death. viva Caracas!

If Gamez couldve fought the todaka rematch when he was younger he woulda been FIVE division champ, it aint like he didnt bash that dude the first time.

 

YOU can say that. But if I had, Joe would have down played Breland as being an overly hyped Olympian that was a below average pro. And then he would diminish Brown by claiming that he was too young and not ready for Starling.

But you had me at ruined.

 

It's always a treat (and pretty amusing) when you try to talk down to me, especially when you already admitted that your choice in this case is a mostly a matter of personal preference.

But whatever...you like Starling and would like to see him in the HOF...I get it.

 

Actually, that is not far from the truth (although below average is going a bit too far), unless you are someone looking to make Starling look better by claiming Breland was something special and Starling "ruined" him.

 

No, he didn't ruin him. That was a bit of hyperbole on my part. Breland actually had some decent wins afterwards.

There is no doubt however that Starling was a huge underdog and the time of the fights and that he was blatantly robbed in the 2nd fight.

That tends to be what people remember.

Curry was never an underdog and that works against him somewhat.

Like I said before, I like both guys and wouldn't really argue either way.

 

I don't know about this take. If anything, it was Brown who was the question mark going into this fight as he was talented but unproven and Starling was still one of the best Welterweights in the world. Brown losing to Starling was no big suprise.

 

Starling was the underdog because he had a history of sometimes fighting below his abilties, but no one at the time doubted how good he was when he chose to actually fight instead of clowning around (which made the second loss to Curry all the more significant because Starling was actually trying to win instead of wasting time fucking around and Curry still won clearly).

Breland, on the other hand, was heavily hyped, but, in the eyes of many, was a house of cards ready to topple when he was really tested.

 

As I said Noble, easy for you to say..


Perfect..

 

The answer is 11.25 solid punches per fight. :bears:

 

I would add Eddie Booker and take out Barry McGuigan, I guess. Jess Willard and James Braddock are also guys who could be taken out instead of McGuigan.

 

If Curry's getting in and another one's getting out, Pipino Cuevas is a good pick.

 

Jess Willard is out, but I'm not sure who I'd nominate to go in.

If I could reserve a future, "boot-out" card, it would be for Arturo Gatti, who will surely get in, & who surely does not belong. Not even close.

BTW, I detest this argument over the definition of, "Hall Of Fame" --- the spirit of the phrase is to honour the best & brightest, not those with the most headlines, for one reason or another. Butterbean would be a first-ballot candidate if it were literally a HOF.

 

Ken Norton


He's never won a championship fight in his life. Needs to be thrown out of there...

 

he was rewarded w/ a belt when spinks opted to defend his title vs. ali instead. kinda like how lewis won the wbc belt after bowe threw in the can.

 

What about the 28th September, 1976, in Madison Square Garden?

Besides, would you omit someone like Sam Langford from the Hall for never having won a title? I will say, in fairness, that Norton isn't the strongest of candidates. Not the weakest either, though.

 

OK I misread the original post - I thought it was to vote out two people.

I'll stick with Turpin as my pick, and instead vote in Myung-Woo Yuh (and I've voted for him every year since I've been a voting member).

 

See, I agree with this 100%, and I hate when people argue the "Fame" aspect of it. It's a part of it, but not to be taken literally.

Every other sport has a Hall of Fame, yet their requirements are almost entirely stats/achievement driven. I never understood why this concept doesn't catch on with boxing.