Yes I'd pick Tszyu by stoppage. But Cotto certainly has a better chance than Brandon Rios.:laughing::laughing:
I think Cotto is a much better fighter than Tszyu, but the style matchup doesn't favor him at all. We saw Cotto fight dangerous punchers like Randall Bailey and take them out with ease, but the thing about Tszyu was that he was very accurate and short with his punches.. if he lands that right hand, Cotto doesn't get up.
Tszyu by KO? :: WTF, the incredible overrating of Tszyu continues. HE IS NOT AN ELITE FIGHTER, STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM AS IF HE IS. Just like Tito and Hamed, he's never come close to beating an elite fighter, and wilted when really tested. Cotto is a better fighter in every way apart from right hands. Loadedgloves, what possible evidence is there that Tszyu would put Cotto away with 1 punch? Pacquiao hits harder than Tszyu by far, and he couldn't take Cotto out with 1 punch. Cotto has only lost to Plasterito and Pacquiao. Plasterito is a fucking huge welterweight that loaded his gloves, and Pacquiao is arguably the best fighter ever. Even neither fighter KO'd him, both were stoppages. Cotto seems fragile, but he's actually fairly resilient, and has a lot of heart. Cotto outclasses Tszyu over 12 rounds, winning a clear decision.
Based on what? That Tszyu's career best win is MAG and Zab? When has Cotto ever been taken out by 1 punch? Even Pacquiao couldn't do that. Pacquiao bounced Hatton off the canvas like a ragdoll and KHTFO with 1 punch. Tszyu got Hatton's attention with flush right hands and nothing more. The absurd overrating of Tszyu continues.
Cotto at 140 was hurt badly by both Corley and Torres. And I mean badly. Granted, he fought through it and won both fights in convincing fashion. As far as Pacquiao's power compared to Tszyu's? I think at 140 it's debatable. Pacquiao is certainly a very hard puncher. But his one-punch power seems to be gone since moving up from 130. Plus, this is 140 we're talking about. For Cotto, it turned out to be a major factor in his durability. At 147, he's proven durable, with a solid chin. At 140, where he struggled to make weight? Not so much. Cotto is probably the better fighter overall, considering what he accomplished at 147 in addition to his wins at 140. But at 140, Tszyu's perfect weight, and with proven one-punch KO power, and Cotto, who at 140 was weight-drained and indeed vulnerable? My money would be on Tszyu to land that right-hand, and whether he'd have to land several throughout the fight and win by stoppage, or could do it with one punch, he beats Cotto there. At 147, Cotto would beat Tszyu.
First COTTO is a MUCH BETTER FIGHTER... However at 140 I favor Tszyu by Decision..... Tszyu is NOT KO'ing COTTO....how the fuck can anyone come to that conclusion? Because of the Torres fight? I hope...because the Corley punch was a punch to the top of the head most fighters would be stun/wobble by that punch...
140 pound version of Cotto got rocked by a bunch of people and Tszyu has the right mix of timing and power to put his lights out. I do agree though that Tszyu is a little overrated though.
First of all, I'm nowhere near certain that Tszyu would win this fight. But I based the statement I made on a couple of things: 1. Cotto had trouble making 140 and seemed the chinnier for it at the weight. He was out on his feet against guys who were inferior to Tszyu as both punchers and fighters. His resilience increased at 147, imo. 2. Punch for punch (and not pound for pound), I think Tszyu's right hand is harder than Pac's straight left. Comparing and saying things like "well, Tszyu couldn't KO Hatton, but Pac did" is not really valid because there's more to it than that. a) Tszyu needs a bit of range to get that right hand off, Hatton smothered and armbarred him to death and just couldn't get it done and b) the Hatton that fought Tszyu hadn't had his mojo taken away by Floyd yet. He stopped giving a shit after Floyd, imo.
I agree with both of you that Cotto is far more solid at 147. Which is ironic, because he looks small at the weight. He looks more like a 140 pounder to me. I just can't see Tszyu winning though. He might hurt Cotto at 140, but I think Cotto would recover and win. He's just a better fighter. Regarding Hatton, nah, Hatton's chin has always been solid, looked fine post Floyd too. Against Manny he didn't look like someone who didn't give a shit. He seemed to be training hard, looked in fine shape, and tried hard against Manny, was just totally outclassed and outgunned. I have no doubt Manny hits harder than Tszyu at 140, none at all. Sometimes it's not that simple as comparing opponents, but come on. Hatton took Tszyu's best shots, they did nothing more than stop him in his tracks. Pacquiao literally iced him with 1 punch. Even at 147 he hurt Cotto with single punches more than the huge cement gloved Plasterito could. Tszyu was a solid puncher, no question. Nice sharp right hand, but Pacquiao has that special power that Tszyu doesn't, that true explosion of energy.
I, too, always thought Tszyu was overrated, but I fail to see how Cotto is better than him. To me, it becomes which guy is more durable, tougher... I think it's Tszyu, frankly
100%. I would bet big with anyone here willing to put money on Cotto at 140lbs. Tszyu's fight for sure.
I wouldn't bet Tszyu on any borderline elite fighter, because he's never beaten one, and he isn't one himself.
No he doesn't. The only time Tszyu has exhibited one punch power is against Zab, and Zab is pretty chinny really. Hatton literally walked into flush right hands from Tszyu and they stopped him in his tracks and nothing more. Manny starched Hatton with one punch, and knocked Cotto down and hurt him with with single punches. He hurt Cotto more than anyone else has done at 147, including Zab and Mosley, who can both punch at 147. You think Tszyu hits harder than Zab and Shane too? I don't. Manny sits down on his punches less now, he's content to just win with speed and volume/boxing, but make no mistake, he can still punch even at 147.
Tszyu probably hits harder than Manny but against certain opponents Manny is the more effective puncher because of his speed and the angles he punches from
Tzsyu's of Eastern European background isn't he? :giggle: Anyway..I tend to lean twoards Tszyu as well...
Mexican, you're not calling it straight here at all. Tszyu was well past it by the time he fought Hatton.
I got nothing but mad respect for both of you, but have to question these claims. How exactly is Cotto classified as chinny yet Tszyu isn't? What wars did Tszyu survive to suggest that he's tougher and more durable than Cotto? If it came down to a firefight, I'd absolutely love Cotto's chances, no matter how many times he would have to get up. I don't trust Tszyu's fighting heart, if it came down to it. With that in mind... I don't think Tszyu would let it get to that. I can see him fighting a far more disciplined fight and, save for a hiccup or two, box his way to a decision. I don't see him knocking out Cotto with one punch, and don't see it happening via attrition, not unless he was pitching a perfect game while doing so and that's not happening either.
Cotto is chinny. Vulnerable fighter, particularly at 140lbs. In the Corley fight he was OUT OUT OUT on his feet and all Corley had to do was go after him with a flurry of head punches and fight would have been over there and then.
I just think the weight drain severely diminished Cotto's ability to take a punch at 140. I didn't like the way he was reacting to shots there, especially when they landed around the top of his head. I don't think this is a war, either. But rather than a Tszyu decision, I definitely see him taking Cotto out at some point.
OK let me clarify: I'm not questioning the claim that Cotto was chinny at 140. I'm questioning why it's not also factored in for Tszyu.
Because I think Tszyu was the better fighter at 140, would land heavier punches and more often, and Cotto would be outta there before Tszyu's chin/toughness was really tested. Two different levels of fighter at 140, IMO.
What level of a fighter is a knockdown away from getting stopped inside of one round against Diosbelys Hurtado? Or gets dropped by Hugo Pineda? Or shuts down the moment Vince Phillips punches his way back into the fight? Like I said, it goes both ways. I don't discount Cotto's limitations at 140, but it's not as if Tszyu walked on water himself.
