Fighters you have confidence in.

I'd say Mosley was embarrassed vs Wright..

 

That's just it. Sure you can IMAGINE him made to look silly, but has it happened yet? Going on 39
It can happen now, but you can't hold that against him. Over his career, I have never watched a Vitali fight with the uncomfortable feeling that he's gonna get KTFO or give up in a fight. "I discount injuries"

I do get this feeling EVERY time Wlad fights though.

 

Calzaghe wasn't banging 7 gram rocks though, I think he'd be fine.

 

Shane was embarrassed by Forrest (first fight), Wright (first fight) and Mayweather. I had him winning a total of 6-7 rounds in those three combined fights, and he wasn't remotely competitive in any of them.

that's what I meant when I said I was confused by your criteria.

 

I agree totally with Vitali, Mosely and Hopkins, they fight solid against anyone.

 

didn't I literally say in my post that I don't blame him for it?

Just saying that others HAVE fought under similar circumstances, and either braved the pain or used it as an excuse after the fact.

 

He wasn't KTFO, didn't quit, and these were all against top fighters. I don't feel
He wasnt embarrassed. He lost a fight to a great fighter, that's it.

 

Big Bro is solid in some ways, but I more or less agree with you here. More aptly, I would say I have confidence in his opponents to come in bloated, & dare not try to seriously press the man.

 

Of course it can (& realistically, should) be disputed.

 

The snobbery of the ringside spectator. You sound like Mickey Duff berating Joe Bugner after the Ali fight in Malaysia.

 

Where Big Bro hails from, there just isn't the same do-or-die attitude to sports (even Boxing) America has long-since nurtured. It's a factor for him, IMO.

 

Yet you don't deny the words themselves. It's not Klitschko's fault, let's clarify. However, that doesn't mean it isn't a factor in his dependability, either.

 

Yes, I am sure all heavyweights in the world have made an agreement not to pressure Vitali and to accept a defeat to not get titles nor money

 

How do you know this?

 

What have you thought of the fights, Ugotabe? You see many guys arriving to fight Klitschko in-condition? How many have really tried to push him?

I think Klitschko would be pretty dependable in some ways against a lot of guys (a few greats & near-greats included, mind), but his competition is a very big part of said-dependability.

 

:Thumbs:

 

Only a snob, a white-collar fuck at a ringside dinner table, would accuse people of "not daring to try". So sorry for you they can't turn the trick you need them to turn for you.

Did Chris Arreola not "Dare to Try"? What about Sanders? Danny Williams?

Roy Jones and Larry Merchant Disagree with you on the "not trying" bit.

From 09:00 onwards:

Merchant: " Boy, I'll tell you, Williams is a real horse, to take this kind of punishment, still come forward"

Lampley: "His right eye is almost completely closed"

Roy Jones Jr: "And keep trying to score a Knock-Out at that"

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He dependably signed to fight Lewis on 2 weeks notice, and dependably fought on through cuts and uppercuts, and dependably didn't want the fight to be stopped.

Just how dependable do you want these people to be?

 

Many guys have entered against Vitaly being heavy, though not that many of them being unusually overweight (Kirk Johnson being the obvious exception). And it is difficult to tell what everybody tries to do, but I do think that most opponents have tried to win against Vitali (that's pretty much the only approach which makes sense) but for some reason they have found that to be difficult.

Some long time pro and trial horse (I think it was Nate Tubbs but I am not sure) told in an interview that when he watched Vitali in the ring he was sure he could beat him easily up. Then when they sparred, he couldn't land anything and got whupped. That's the whole key

 

Ah yes. Central Asia, the Soviet Union, The Caucasus....those great cultural bastions of killer-instinct devoid people.

These people have a Do-Or-Die attitude to life, never mind boxing.

Don't worry Ramonza, Solis might turn the trick yet this weekend, then you can breathe freely again.

If Solis loses, we can assume its because Cuba doesn't foster the Do-Or-Die attitude enough.

 

Its so easy to watch the fight and accuse somebody of being a dog. Its such an American thing. Everyone is a dog, a quit-job, lazy, unless they die in mortal combat for the entertainment of the great, unwashed, but PPV-cable-having masses.

McCLellan was butchered by Don King and the American commentary team-especially Ferdie Pacheco, when he took the 10 count vs Benn.

 

A, "snob?" A, "white-collar fuck?" Wow. For a fella who takes an almost sadistic pleasure from being a contrarian for all who visit here, you sure don't seem to like it when the shoe's on the other foot, huh? ::

Who are you kidding, ostensibly coming to the aid of these noble warriors (who can't even be bothered to lose the love-handles, pretenders that they are), when everyone here knows you couldn't care less about them -- this is merely your typical hyper-sensitivity to any criticism (or perceived criticism) towards your beloved K-Brothers? The embodiment of your chip-on-shoulder, little-man syndrome view of the US, & your resentment against the country's overwhelming success in this sport?

You are the classic archetypal little man, Irish. Kicking & screaming at the big, bad bully. It's a transparent game.

 

What a joke. This from the guy who goes out of his way to laugh at the likes of Joe Louis.

 

This is the view I have taken from a few friends/colleagues/acquaintances I have had over a number of years, involving Russians & Ukrainians, & a few who lived in Germany. A lot goes into sportspeople being role models first & foremost, as the Klitschkos certainly are outside the ropes.

 

Now we are getting somewhere.

Criticism of any fighter, even a favourite, is something I can tolerate, even welcome.

Rampant Orwellian catchphrases which denigrate and demote the opposition to the level of dog or quitter, simply because those fighters failed to get the job done, is not tolerable or welcome.

Do you even know off the top of your head who trained Danny Williams?

James McDonnell- a fitness fanatic who would never let a fighter come to the ring out of shape. Williams followed an insane fitness regime for that fight.

 

:atu::atu::atu::atu:

 

I never did any such thing to Joe Louis.

I laughed at Tony Galento.ointlaugh:ointlaugh:

Now there was a guy who had love-handles.ointlaugh:ointlaugh:

 

Please, Irish. I know you live & breathe on the belief your smugness is matched only by your perceived intellect, but you are delusional beyond belief if you think you're cunning enough to convince me this has anything to do with Big Bro's opposition, as opposed to your bitter, petty love of anything anti-American.

 

This, simply, is not true.

I am smug? Perceived intellect? None of these are even relevant to the discussion.

If I can agree that Klitschkos opposition is less-than-stellar, then you can agree to retract the statement that they don't try.