Zab Judah vs Juan Marquez

Im seeing a lot of talk about this fight possibly occurring.

I expect Judah to win.

 

Not a good fight for JMM. But if he wins he could make history. No? And my guess is some of those stright right hands JMM managed to land on PBF would've sent Judah to the canvas. JMM will have difficulty, though, as was the case against PBF, with Judah's hand-speed.

 

Judah TKO7

 

Bad (& nearly pointless) fight for Marquez.

 

I actually expect Gay Marquez to win, he's a better fighter than Judah.

Judah is bigger and faster though, so realistically this fight is about 50/50.

 

I'd say Marquez will stop Judah.

 

Judah does have a belt at 140. So it's definitely not pointless.

 

from killing him? You're saying JMM will quit?

 

i would prefer this bout not happen because i dont care to see judah shine

 

I'm over my dislike of Zab. the guy has had more than his share of embarassments in the ring. I'd like to see him get a good win or two under his belt.

 

Belts....does ANYBODY still care about 'belts' in 2011? Marquez is already a marketable name....becoming one if you aren't already is really the only meaning in becoming a belt holder in 2011.

Beating Maidana without a belt would be more meaningful in every way. And a much more winnable fight, too.:Thumbs:

 

I'd give Marquez a better chance against Judah than Maidana without a doubt.

Maidana is tough and fierce and powerful and determined, I would make him a clear favourite to beat Marquez.

Even this version of Judah is fast and skilled, but he folds like a deck chair against top opposition.

My pick is Marquez.

 

They're apparenty still a big deal in Mexico, as the race is on for Marquez, Barrera or Morales to be come its first ever four-division champ/titlist/beltholder/alphabet souper.

Sulaiman was even willing to make a WBC belt available for Morales-Marquez had that fight not fallen through.

 

its amusing how morales and barrera switched sides. i recall at the conference after their third fight barrera got everyone riled up by saying "this proves that GB is superior to top rank" or shit shit.

 

That would be my early pick, as well.

 

Really guys? Surprised at the Judah picks. Not saying you're wrong, just surprised.

 

agree... if he still has a little bit left, he should be able to land shots on Judah that change the tenor of the fight in his favor

 

I disagree, I don't like Marquez's ability to deal with speed at this point.

 

Yeah I agree with you to a point.

Marquez himself has slowed down since the Pacquiao fights in terms of reaction speed and handspeed.

I fully expect Judah to be winning at the halfway stage, but IMO Marquez takes over, Judah slows down and loses focus as per usual, and Marquez probably stops him late or wins a close decision.

I have a harder time seeing this version of Marquez beating a big, powerful, determined 140 pounder like Maidana.

 

Wow that would have been ridiculous. Talk about chasing a chimera. They'd win it and feel like the 40th Conquistador boat bringing silver back from Money Mountain, wondering why nobody cared about SILVER anymore. Hey it's SILVER - money, prestige, value! Not when it's coming out out arses it isn't. We shit in solid silver wash pots now.

 

Maidana's a tough fight, but it's not like Marquez would have to go looking for him. There'd be plenty of opportunities to counter and work the body like he did against Katsidis. It's a physical fight, a competitive one, but it's one I think Marquez is comfortable with at this point. Maybe he's too far past it to win it, I don't know.

Judah's a different prospect. I think he'll be able to land a counter or something big early enough that he'll get some of Marquez's respect coming forward. More of a cat and mouse fight, one that Marquez would probably take less punishment in, but not stand a better chance of winning on the scorecards.

I don't think Marquez has all that much time left, and I don't think he'd risk a third Pacquiao payday against either of these guys if he can bolt G for Top rank.

 

JMM has fought one fight above 135 against PBF.

 

Meaning you don't like his chances above the weight or you like them better at a lower weight than 144'ish against a lesser opponent than Mayweather?

 

Meaning I don't like his chances above 135.

If he felt strong and comfortable at 147, he would've at least stayed at 140, wouldn't you think?

I interpret his moving directly back down to 135, having trained and fought at 147, to mean that he felt he had no business fighting there.

And he doesn't look particularly big or weight-drained, by the way, at 135. The guy is a natural featherweight, no doubt.

This is just a stupid fight for him to take. He won't get much credit for the win if he gets it, especially if it goes the distance. And if he loses? Well, he could very well get stopped by a guy who hits as hard as Judah and who will have the size advantage that he will.

It's not as if JMM can top Tszyu's 2nd round KO of Judah, and a better version of Judah that is.

Who ever is advising JMM that this is a good next step for his career is either stupid or has an agenda that conflicts with JMM's.

I guess the only rationale I can think of for having the fight is that it's a chance for JMM to get a belt in a new weight division, and in terms of title-holders at 140, Judah no doubt is among the weakest.

I don't know. I'm just not overly confident JMM wins this fight.

 

I think the only fight Marquez really wants is a Pacquiao fight.

Golden Boy's talking about Judah (and Guerrero) because they're trying to keep him, and they're looking for fights that they can make...and Judah presents a possible pay per view fight.

I don't really see Marquez's interest in moving up, or staying and fighting Guerrero, but Marquez and Schaefer seem to have (or at least had) differing opinions on when his contract with G is over.

 

and people have the temerity to complain about certain other divisions.

This is a FARCE

Judah got KO'd 10 years ago by Tszyu.

 

I take it this is sarcasm?

 

Well.....Marquez is like 39 and really well past his best. Judah's best wasn't good enough to make him the man at 140 but enough to make him the man at 147, where he went 1-1 with this guy:

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Marquez is only doing this cos he can't get a fight with Pacroid.

Forced to move up and take beatings by guys who weren't that good to begin with, just who are like 39lbs heavier than you.

 

Come on.

Why can't Marquez get a fight with Pac-Man? Why is he being forced into fighting at weights which just don't suit him?

Is the game now so restricted, so devoid of talent, that this fight, and fights of its ilk, now need to be made?