Zab Judah vs Juan Marquez

Are you saying a fight with Pacquiao wouldn't be at a weight that doesn't suit him?

If Marquez wanted to stay at 135 and fight Robert Guerrero and every other non-Top Rank fighter there, Golden Boy would probably be happy to go with it.

Judah isn't even a Golden Boy fighter, but having Marquez fight him while staing with G beats him leaving for Top Rank to fight Manny.

Supposedly Golden Boy has a matching clause, they know they can't match a Pacquiao offer without overpaying, so they're looking for a multi-fight deal with fights that can make some money...but I don't think Marquez is interested in them if he can cash out against Pacquiao.

 

It's also the same division where Vince Phillips KO'd Tszyu.

I don't see what either have to do with this fight.

 

What weight is Pac fighting at? He's fighting at weights he dicates, a la Cotto, 145. Not only that, his OPPONENTS are fighting at weights he dictates.

That would indicate that this weight suits him, or suits him better, at least, than 147.

144 clearly is not a comfortable weight for Marquez. Now, Judah is no Mayweather, but that was 18 months ago. Marquez hasn't got any faster in the interim.

 

Pacquiao fights at whatever negotiable weight bests suits him for that opponent.

Usually it's on the lighter side, but that doesn't mean it would be the case for Marquez, who move up to an invented weight for Maywather and took the extra cash when Mayweather came in even heavy.

If Marquez is looking to get paid, what's going to stop him from conceding on the weight to Pacquiao?

 

Nothing.

Is Pacquaio going to offer him a fight any time soon?

No.

Hence this BS with Judah, who himself has scarcely earned the payday.

 

Because of his contract with Golden Boy.

Marquez made statements saying he thought it expired this year. Schaefer says it expires next February.

If the contract was finished now, Arum would probably make the fight this year.

If Marquez wants to make it to next February with a Pacquiao fight still viable, he should probably avoid Judah.

And what does "earned the payday" have to do with anything? You make what you can get people to pay for.

 

What, like those fights they have in Europe that people pay for?

I am aware of the principle that you get what you negotiate, not what you deserve.

The public should be exhorting Marquez to take a few handy ones, then fight Pacquaio whenever.

For what it is worth, I don't think Pac wants any part of him.

 

You can make the case Arum didn't want any part of him after the third fight, but that was before Pacquiao moved up and Marquez was getting into FOTY candidates with Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis.

 

Oh well hey, I doubt Arum is not involved and I doubt it is anything new. Pac might have a win over Marquez but he never really beat Marquez.

 

You're such a parrot.

You probably haven't even fully watched either fight, much less scored either one.

 

Tricky opening few rounds if this happens but Judah loses this imo. Good style match-up fight this.

 

I didn't see Rocky I, or score it, but I agree with Apollo Creed when he tells Duke that he won the fight, but that he never BEAT Balboa.

 

Irish, fight #1 was a fucking robbery in Pacquiao's favour.

Clear, clear win for Manny.

Fight 2 is different, I would have no problem with a Marquez win. Very close fight.

Manny doesn't want a part of him? Don't be absurd. At lightweight he's been struggling with guys like Diaz and Katsidis.

He's still a great fighter but make no mistake, he is less suited to the higher weights than Pacquiao and more washed up.

Styles or no styles, Pacquiao would give Marquez a beating now at 140 plus.

 

Dude, you need to read back. Lets say Manny got the decision both times. Fine. I never denied he WON. What I am saying is that he never BEAT Marquez. He never nailed the door shut on this particular case. If the fight ends at the end of round 1 of their first fight...maybe. Marquez is the one guy who lays any sort of a claim to having an answer for Pacquaio.

You can't have a guy on the mat three times in the opening round and then find yourself held to a draw, or even a 1 point decision win, and not be dissatisfied.

Maybe Pacquaio would give him a whipping at 140+. But if Pac did that, it might put Marquez to bed. It would not be ideal, but it might help settle the matter.

If Judah does it, it settles very little. It merely establishes that a young man who lost at 126 to Norwood didn't have it as an older man at 140 vs Judah. That doesn't answer very many questions for me.

 

"Irish" only watches Ukranian heavyweights.

 

If I did that I would miss out on all dem Big Russians.:NotThink:

 

Come on, you read a few posts and some articles and proceed to bullshit your way through most discussions on here portraying it like you actually watched the fights.

 

I spend hours watching fights. I watch all manner of shit. Could be Chuvalo vs Quarry one hour, Wlad vs McCline the next, Rinty Monaghan vs Dado Marino, you name it.

I know you and I don't see eye to eye....but when I was in High-School, I had this bus-ticket which granted free travel once you paid a monthly sum. I used the ticket to travel into the big newsagents in Dublin every Friday after school to read Ring, KO Magazine, Bert Sugars Fight Game, Boxing Monthly, etc

I never had any money so I used to read them for hours, then go and get the bus home.

I never in my wildest dreams believed that my then-concrete faith in the United States would be slowly undermined by the mere practice of weekly trips to a newsagent to read these magazines.

 

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I shit thee not. Its hard to read an account of a fight, then see the fight for oneself, and not retain what is initially a degree of skepticism. When you see the same baloney being printed over and over, one eventually reaches the conclusion that these jokers are in fact full of it.

Ring Magazine itself has reached near-comedy status in the British Isles. Its regarded as toilet paper with a famous cover.

 

Well, if that was directed at me, it's just proof that you missed my point.

 

It wasn't directed at ANYONE, as such.

I have come to be fond of Marquez, I think him vs Pac in one last blast is just a much more enticing fight.

 

I'd like to see that fight too, but it's hard for me to imagine Pacquiao not winning easily.

 

Maybe, maybe.....but I think Judah might win easily anyways. athetic:

I would love it if JMM beat Pacquaio, if only to see Floyd come scurrying out of his lair to demand all manner of propitiations be offered up in his glory.

 

It would be an unmitigated disaster if JMM managed to beat Pacquiao in a rubber match. And as slight as that chance may be, it's possible that thats exactly why Pacquiao & Company want no part of a third fight with JMM.

 

i doubt pacquiao would face marquez at anything less than 147, in fact it would not surprise me if the bout took place at 150lbs

 

It will take place at the weight that hurts Marquez the most and Pac the least.

This is the realm we are now in, where bargaining power is used to both financially and physically damage prospective opponents of the party with the greater bargaining power.

 

What's the likelihood of this fight actually happening?

 

of course. some of these chaps here think pacquiao is some noble warrior who will insist on dropping pounds to make it more fair for his opposition like marquez

 

Very good