Less than a week away now. This is a win-win fight for me. No matter which one loses, I'll be happy. I'm taking Berto within 8-9. Victoria does have a puncher's chance. The way Berto squares himself up he's gonna be hittable. I can see him walking into an Ortiz right hook and getting badly buzzed, maybe even put away. But I think the more likely scenario is that Ortiz doesnt do very well against a man with faster hands than himself. Also, I cant help but think that eventually he's gonna get caught with Berto's right uppercut, and will be on Donald Curry street.
Not to sound like Lou Dibella, but Ortiz is more of a welterweight. I'm willing to bet that he'll come into the ring weighing more than Berto. Plus, all you have to do is watch the press confrence when the two are standing face-to-face. Berto is hardly the bigger man IMO.
I would prefer that Ortiz wins. I think he will at least try to make bigger fights happen and hes much more marketable that Andre.
The only wild card in this fight is that if Ortiz remembers that he actually has punching power, Berto's chin is fairly crappy. Aside from heart, Ortiz is also the much more talented fighter. The problem is, he'd rather be doing something else. A motivated Berto should stop him in eight or so rounds. The Al Haymon-don't-worry-I'll-still-get-you-on-HBO version goes through the motions and settles for a clear decision.
How do you figure that Ortiz is the much better fighter? I think Berto has much better defence and he mixes up his attack more.
I don't disagree. I don't really hate Ortiz, just the push behind him even though the public has already seen the contrary to be true. With Berto - he's a good dude, but I just don't like anything about him in the ring, in addition to his being forced down our throat.
i expect berto will be aggressive early and take the fight to ortiz, who will catch him with some hard shots
Like SD says, Ortiz does seem like a total douche, and he's clearly not all there mentally. But by fuck I hope he wins. After initially being somewhat of a Berto defender, I can't stand his unwillingness to fight anyone legit. It's pathetic. So on principle alone, I hope Ortiz wins, Berto deserves to lose more than Ortiz, put it that way. By the way Xplosive, they are a similar height but Berto looks significantly chunkier. I think Berto is bigger, even though he IS a fairly small welterweight himself. As far as a prediction goes, I'm honestly not sure. I'll wait till nearer the fight.
I commend whoever is representing Ortiz, they are the very definition of management, whoever they are. Ortiz rehabilitation at 147 is most impressive, resulting in two HBO dates and a title shot, all stemming from doing a worse job vs Maidana than an ancient Erik Morales, and a division below, at that.
I thought Berto was a MW in the ams or something because I remember his pro debut consisted of a SMW fight so that makes him naturally bigger
It is pretty funny that Ortiz basically got destroyed and quit against a guy who just got a MD over a shot 122 pound legend. But Berto isn't exactly much good either. In fact I thought Collazo won their fight close but clear. I'm really not sure on this one. I actually think Ortiz is probably the better of the two, but he does kind of have a screw loose, and regardless of how big you think they both are, Berto is at least used to fighting at WW and is clearly more filled out at the weight etc.
Berto by KO/TKO...early 3-4 rounds. It's been years and i still can't get Cosme Rivera dropping and badly hurting Berto out of my mind.... This fight might be closer than I predict I HOPE IT easy....I like Ortiz a hell of a lot more than Berto....
So why exactly do you think Berto KO's him early? Ortiz is better than anyone Berto has fought. It's no guarantee Berto would even beat Maidana. By the way, did you see the press conference? Ortiz said some people think Berto is the best fighter P4P :: Who, his mum? ::