What boxer would you have coach you?

Sure you'd LIKE to fight like Roy, but let's face it, what could Roy really teach you?

Guys like Roy and Pacquiao have a unique style that is 90% based on freakishly good athleticism.

Not much you could learn from either of them IMO. You'd be way better off learning from someone like Marquez or Bernard.

 

Like REED Said, Roy is the Guy he'd Most Want to FIGHT LIKE...In Terms of a COACH, REED Would Probably Go w/Somebody like Archie Moore...

Moore was NEVER Known for his "Athleticism" AND he Fought SUCCESSFULLY Into his 40's w/Out ANY PED Suspicions...So in the Spirit of the Thread, REED would Probably Go w/Archie Moore...



REED:kidcool:

 

Just because Roy fights a certain style doesn't mean that he would TEACH others to fight like him. Listen to his broadcasting, he is very intelligent.

 

Davey Hilton, he's kind of my size, arm reach and height, and was very technical ( when properly trained ) while having a crowd pleasing style.

Miguel Cotto would be another

 

good one

Nicolino Locche is dead obviously, but he was also not particularly fast of hand or foot and he couldn't knock out my niece... yet... you couldn't hit the guy

 

The Body Snatcher

 

Yeah he'd be a solid choice.

And Joe, yep Roy is a good broadcaster, I like listening to him, doesn't mean he'd be good at coaching though necessarily.

 

But the Thing is, BECAUSE of Roy's Commentary, it's Pretty Obvious that he's MORE of a "Student of the Game" of Boxing, than his Athletic Ability Insinuates...It's NOT like Roy Jones was a Football, Basketball or Baseball Player that SUDDENLY Took Up Boxing...

Roy Jones was ALWAYS a BOXER, who Just Sooooooo Happened to B a Good All-Around Athlete...



REED:hammert:

 

I'd say old Foreman is probably the guy I would rely on to coach me. His "style" for his comeback was basic personified. If you got no handspeed, no footspeed, carry a bit too much weight.......then he is your man.

 

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But what Floyd does in the ring, the average Joe with average athleticism can't duplicate. It'll be a case of the average Joe on the ropes trying to fight in the pocket and getting cracked over 50% of the time! Floyd hardly gets hit 30% of the time.

As far as my guy, it would have to be Kelly Pavlik. There isn't anything special about his style, it's just pure boxing 101. His power is what separates him, not his skill set. Pavlik has all of the basics down pat; he just lacks good speed, both foot and hand and some athleticism.

 

How about a guy like Charles Mooney? He was on the '76 Olympic team with Sugar Ray and has been running a gym in Maryland for years.

 

Who? Is he on HBO?? Has he been on 24/7??? Is Maryland near North Hollywood???

 

Roy Jones Jr and Mike Tyson were two guys who relied on their physical abilities, but they were also two guys who were serious students of the fight game. That comes through when you listen to them commentate.

But for my money, give me Bernard Hopkins.

 

HOPKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mayweather's talent cannot be transfered by training...else it would be him without a doubt.

 

I think all the guys mentioned would do very good jobs at getting their guys menatlly and physcially ready. I think each trainer would adjust their style to the skill set of the fighter. And if RJJ was ur trainer I doubt he would have you try and fight exactly like him. He knows that the shit he used to do in the ring is often imitated and never duplicated. That being said I'm going with my boy Augie Sanchez! Naw but to be honest it would have to be a fighter that was extremely successful in the ring. I'll Holla 5000

 

Whether you would be as successful as mayweather is a different matter entirely, but Floyd knows ALOT of tricks in there which would be beneficial to ANY boxers armoury. There's a vid floating about on YouTube where Floyd demonstrates a few techniques to some reporter, it's fascinating to watch. If he wasn't such a cunt he'd make a fantastic trainer IMO.

 

Mayweather Jr is a combination of physical gifts AND flawless technique. Fighters like that are rare.

 

Agreed, although at 147 he relies more on technique than before. Again it's not about being as good as Mayweather, it's about him having alot of wisdom to pass on, which he most certainly does

 

Yeah but that "shoulder roll", for example, hardly works for anyone besides him. His father got fucked up by Leonard trying to use it. De la Hoya got bloodied by Gatti trying to use it. Gatti's tried to use it too and always got fucked up.

Floyd gets away with it because of his natural reflexes and instincts. Floyd is just Supertalented...it's him and Roy Jones historically!

Hopkins, however, has flawless textbook technique....that even in his old age and slower reflexes, weaker chin, less stamina.....serves him well.

 

It's not just the shoulder roll mate, he has a whole array of subtle tricks. In that video I was banging on about he gave examples of how to fight southpaws, countering over the jab etc, there was also another video I saw about how he made a slight adjustment after eating that right hand from Mosley and he never got hit with it again. It's clever stuff, and you could easily see him spotting it in between rounds if he was training a fighter. I agree that the shoulder roll is an incredibly hard skill to master which is why I didn't mention it when bringing up Floyd.

 

Interesting thread because some of the greatest doers of things in life don't always make the greatest teachers.

What I would look for in a trainer the ability to be a good listener and observer, confidently know what it takes to win and be able to tell me what I need to do be best prepared. At the end of the day every person is unique, not just physically, but mentally and spiritually as well. Boxing is an extremely tough sport and it is important that a trainer is able to be a catalyst that makes you grow in all three ways. I believe that truly when you get in the ring and fight, what happens is no longer in you hands, no one truly has control of their destiny in the boxing ring but preparation is the only thing you have complete control over.

Honestly I think that Floyd Mayweather jr. when he gets older and settles down more would be about as good of a trainer as anyone could ask for. The reason I pick Floyd is because the guy truly knows every aspect of the fight game, he also knows every aspect of what it takes to prepare someone for a fight and on top of that Floyd was raised by two great trainers who knew what it takes to win and as the old saying goes "like father, like son".

 

FWIW I think James Toney's shoulder roll is on par with Floyd's.

 

Hopkins has such flawless textbook skills that when, Jermaine Taylor didn't follow him around the ring, he cruised his way to a masterful 24 round decision loss.

If I were to have someone coach me, it wouldn't be racist criminal trash for a start :: (although that would probably turn some posters on), it'd be atleast someone who has demonstrated he could fight backwards and forwards with mutual ease.. don't you think?.. :notallthere:

 

Yes, because Hopkins never fought going forward when he was younger, and we should judge all fighters by how they perform at the age of 40.

 

But we should maintain the judgement for scrub opposition? How many times have we seen exposed prospects looking like monsters against thorough shit coming up into contention?..When has Hopkins demonstrated a clinical pressure exhibit against a world class opponent where it counts?. Jermaine had a glass brain, he would freeze given enough pressure we've learned in subsequent fights, Hopkins lack of both courage and skills in going forwards against a world class opponent, is why he is, and always will be Jermaine's bitch. Hopkins is a strict counterpuncher, a chronic trap setter, Jermaine stayed on the fringe, and Hopkins had no answer, did the 'brilliant master' learn anything from the first fight?... There's no doubt he, and all who watched had a damn good idea how to beat Jermaine given he faded badly towards the end,...The problem was, Hopkins was simply not good enough of a pressure fighter, ..and that's why he couldn't deliver.

So once again, in my opinion, if you want an effective coach, he should be able to teach you how to pressure an opponent, not just counter-punch.

 

Did you watch Hopkins' fight with Pascal?

If you don't think a younger Hops would've beaten Jermain Taylor, I really don't know what to say to you .. (as it was I thought Hopkins won both fights to begin with)

 

No, I must have missed the exhibition of all-time great pressuring skills Bernard showed against Pascal in a fight he didn't win :: ,...I didn't see any great pressuring skills from Carl Froch's performance either, and he won clearly..so no sir, understandably, that fight didn't cross my mind as an example, all time great stuff and still fall short against Jean Pascal?. The next step is to scream 'old!', the problem with that is, who could subdue the screaming if 40 year old Vitali Klitschko lost a fight today?.. would you simmer everybody down?.. "Do not judge him harshly, for it does not count, he is too old"... we both know the answer to that.

I think you do your best work when you talk about performance enhancing drugs my slightly toasted Aryan brother, so long as we don't mix Hopkins into that conversation, as things could get quite 'murky' and contradictory, a clash of interests involving a favourite fighter of sorts,... but what I will say with boxing's current drug testing predicament, is that, there are no hands on the clock, until it is appropriately dealt with.

 

So both Hopkins and the Klitschko's are on steriods? Highly likely.