Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Ricardo Mayorga

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  1. Dog Jones

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    Chavez Sr. vs. a prime Mayorga
    Chavez Jr. vs. the Mayorga that fought Trinidad
     
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    Prime Chavez was a 130 pound fighter
     
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    *The Chavez that fought Whitaker
     
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    since we all know that chavez was at his absolute peak when he fought whitaker. according to kellerman at least
     
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    Mayorga blows, but he'd be strong enough to outbrawl Chavez at the weight, but I think it'd be very competetive, even with a diminished JCC
     
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    Kellerman, of course, needs you to think Chavez was in his pomp vs Whittaker, thus enhancing the reputation of Whittaker.
     
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    .. there are 2 weight divisions separating these guys. this is like asking "prime alexis arguello vs tito trinidad at 147." arguello is obviously the better fighter, but there is a size disparity you have to take into account.
     
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    Yeah, I think that was kind of the point
     
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    the size disparity along with the physical and stylistic attributes of a prime mayorga make this fight not even worth discussing. mayorga would call chavez a faggot with a whore mother and then knock him out.
     
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    Chavez fought at 147. He was the same size as Mayorga, just like Hatton was to Floyd. :nono:
     
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    Your sarcastic analogy doesn't fit. A more accurate sarcastic analogy would be

    "Chavez Sr fought at 147, so if Aaron Pryor had moved up to 147 and fought him, Chavez Sr would've been the bigger man in the ring and had an unfair size advantage."
     
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    Touché. :lol:
     
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    Sarcasm isn't supposed to fit..:dunno:
     
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    The underlying point the sarcasm is making and the logic used to make it should be valid.
     
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    Mayo would beat him down.
     
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    It's hilarious the number of responses to this proposed match-ups that focus on invalidating the match-up as somehow absurd, as opposed to providing an actual prediction as to who would've won.

    It's as close to concrete evidence as we have that personal preferences are seldom put aside in favor of telling it like it is.

    It's true that Mayorga would've enjoyed a significant size advantage over Chavez had they fought at 14. And it's clear also that Mayorga's style of fighting would've meant his ability to fully exploit these advantages.

    And yet, at least a large minority, if not a majority of responses to this mythical match-up has been to paint it as an absurd match-up rather than to provide an educated and substantaited prediction as to who would've won the fight.

    It says to me there's sacred cows among us - fighters whose reputations and legacies mustn't be subjected to the reality that there's plenty of less than superb fighters they could not have beaten, whether due to size considerations, discrepancies in fame and marketability, or any other factor contributing to the superior appeal of one fighter over another.

    In this particular case, I think there's a couple of drivers accounting for the decision of many to declare the matchup absurd rather than to fulfill the request of the thread-makeer, a judgement as to who would've won the match-up.

    Chavez is a legend. Mayorga is a contender with little shot at hall of fame status. The idea that a fighter as crude and as mediocre as Mayorga could've beaten Chavez? For many it's a reality theyre unwilling to accept. Instead, their response is to dismiss the proposed match-up as absurd.

    And it gets more complicated than that potentially. If Chavez's abilities, for example at 135, were compromised by his move to 147, to the extent he couldn't beat Mayorga? What does it say about Whitaeker's signature performance against the undefeated Chavez....at 147?

    I guess the bottom line is that mythical match-ups, when proposed on this board, are offered as an exercise in prediction, an opportunity to revisit the strengths and weaknesses of fighters past and present, with respect to reach other.

    It is not, however, a mechanism for vetting potential mythical match-ups, or for fans to declare which, at least explicitly, which ones are worthy of discussion, and which for whatever reason, should be classified as absurd.

    The tendency of many to dismiss proposed match-ups as absurd, those with likely results which don't sit well with them, is simply proof that in the eyes of many fans there's a distinct gap between what is and what they prefer to believe.
     
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    ugh, retarded

    its absurd because Chavez had his best days and max effectiveness at a weight significantly below the 150+ pounds that Mayorga would be carrying on fight night

    It's like someone proposing "Alexis Arguello vs. Ricardo Lopez" ... on its face, it is a ridiculous matchup that proves NOTHING about either man
     

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