Pacquiao vs Cintron next?

Pac was not supposed to win the DLH fight. He was supposed to just be a tune-up before a rematch with Mayweather.

Ricky Hatton had also never lost at 140. He was blown out in less than 2 rounds.

Making Cotto come in at 145 when not so long ago Cotto was a champion at 140 is not such a huge stipulation.

What were the stipulations in the Clottey or Margarito fights? No padded hand wraps?

You can knock Pac for certain things, but his resume is not one of them. Does anyone have a better resume then this guy in the last 25 years?

 

This is relevant.

Yes, making the welterweight champion come in at 145 for a welterweight championship fight is "not such a huge stipulation." It wasn't done to gain an advantage by draining their opponent, Roach/Pac just thought 145 was a lucky number. Just like they thought 142 would be a lucky number against Shane, but changed their minds later.

Clottey is one of the top 10 welterweights of all time, so I respect the fact that Pacquiao beat such a feared fighter with no stipulations or clauses, and not coming off of a severely damaging loss.

Speaking of severely damaging loss, re: stipulations against Margarito: What part of "WHEN HE FOUGHT THEM" do you not understand?

BRB, I'm going to go fight Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, and George Foreman, then I'll have beaten the bigger names and will have a better resume than Pac.

 

LOL I know right, it's like thinking Sugar Ray Leonard was seeking an unfair advantage when he fought Donny Lalonde, some people are just so deluded!!!!

 

What's really funny is that he is probably a Floyd fan.

 

I'm a Floyd fan and guess what...I think Pacquiao is one of the G.O.A.T. period.

Still...he's never faced an African American fighter before now....

 

What's funnier is that I was a sane Pac fan in 2001, meaning I'm an ex-Pac fan in 2011. You probably hadn't heard of Pac in 2001, but whenever you did hop on the bandwagon, you guzzled the Kool-Aid and never stopped asking for more, even when they replaced the BlueBerry Blast with Pac's Hairy Mast.

 

And the irony is that Shane fights like a Mexican, and has always been proud to say so..

 

I could probably show you my betting slip from the first Barrera fight where I placed money on Pac, but why bother?

As a Floyd fan, you really ought to make your anti-Pac arguments come from somewhere else other than quality of opposition/resume.

Let's not forget that Floyd just fought Marquez at 147 and didn't even bother making weight.

You remind me of TLC when he was arguing against Noah's Ark because he said everyone would have died of dehydration. You could easily make an argument against it's existence, but why would you choose dehydration as your platform for such an argument?

 

Floyd fought Marquez at a catchweight of 145, he made the weight of 147 which was the actual weight limit for the fight as it was a welterweight bout (145 was contractually stipulated).

I didn't stop being a fan of Pac's because of Floyd. I stopped being a fan of Pac's due to his own actions.

Anyway, your rebuttal is useless. It basically consists of "well, I think your argument sucks, so you shouldn't use it."

 

dymi cough

 

Yet you continue to be a fan of Floyd because...???

You're attempting to disparage one of the best resumes in the history of the sport and you expect people to bother to take the time to rebut such a fallacy?

 

:bears::bears::giggle:

god, Cintron SUCKS

he SUCKS SO HARD

 

Pre 135 Pacquiao's resume is stellar, no argument there. But I've provided perfectly valid criticisms for why it isn't even close to "one of the best resumes in the history of the sport" post 135.

You apparently think Pacquiao is some sort of holy figure whose resume can't be critiqued, and if it is, nobody should take the time to rebut said criticisms. Basically, you are gay for Manny Pac.

I am still a fan of Floyd because:

1. He is the most complete and versatile fighter in the sport today.

2. He is not a prima donna at the negotiating table. He has shown time and again he is willing to agree to whatever an opponent demands to get the fight done.

3. Watching him fight is a thing of beauty.

4. When there was a question about who won or lost a fight (Castillo I), Floyd immediately rematched him - in spite of getting the W - and silenced his critics with a clear victory. This is unlike Manny Pac, who only rematched Marquez because they drew in the first fight, and then took his decidedly unclear victory in the second fight and ran away to fight David fucking Diaz.

5. Floyd wanted Pac to take steroid tests and was willing to do the same. Pac/Roach asked Mosley to take tests but balked at doing the same. Funny shit.

6. He doesn't wait until guys have been battered to death by Pacquiao to fight them.

I honestly do have criticisms of Floyd, but I don't believe he is a fraud like Pacquiao.

 

His punch is overrated but I still think he would be the hardest puncher Pacquiao had ever faced, aside from the fact that Cintron blows of course

 

This is an excellant point my man. Not too many fighters can say they took their gift/disputed decision win and immediately rematched the fighter in question. Only fighter i can think of is Holyfield against lewis.

 

Jones-Tarver

 

Holy fuck, you're such a hater it's unbelievable.

"Made him come to 147" regarding Oscar. You ignorant, clueless fuck, Pacquiao was supposed to be the opponent, not Oscar. Oscar offered the fight at 147 and Pacquiao accepted.

I used to be a BIG style Pacquiao detractor by the way (ask Slice N Dice) and picked both Barrera and Morales to school him.

But he's proven to be an all time elite fighter, and denying this is pure hate.

The guy has defied logic in handing out the 1 sided arse kickings of larger man post 135. He wasn't supposed to beat Oscar, and logically, a guy with the frame of a featherweight shouldn't be beating ANY one of those guys at 140 or above.

Hatton was no more shot than he was against Floyd. Fairly washed up and past it, but not a shot fighter.

Cotto wasn't shot and still isn't, and represents a better fighter than anyone Floyd has beaten at WW.

Floyd's best opponent at welter = Mosley.

Pacquiao's best opponent at welter = Cotto, who beat Mosley.

Pacquiao's resume since 135 is legendary. You can spout whatever bullshit you want, but the fact is, if it's so easy, why isn't anyone else moving up 5 weight divisions and handing out 1 sided beatings?

If want to talk about garbage look no further than Floyd's resume at 147, a weight he's been at FOR HALF A FUCKING DECADE ::

Regarding Mosley, I've ALWAYS been a Mosley fan, and always rooted for him and defended him, I used to argue with Sly about him all the way back in the secondsout days, fucking years ago.

But I am bored of defending him. Shane has always been an excellent, world class fighter with legit talent, but he is also a fairly basic fighter as Sly has always alluded to, and picking him over someone like Pacquiao is stupid.

Even a prime Shane would have to basically land 1 fight changing punch and stop Manny to win. I think the chances of that are very slim.

Even though I like Shane, you have to look at his career objectively. He's lost to every elite fighter he's faced apart from Oscar, in his career best performance.

No version of Shane is beating the elite of the elite like Pacquiao or Floyd.

I think this loadedgloves guy has to be a troll (maybe an alias as suggested). Even the HARDCORE Floyd fans aren't as blind and stupid as him.

 

Pacquiao doesn't look Phillipino anymore, he's more like a pacific islander now. But even Islanders don't have that extremely thick varnished hair Pacquiao has 'picked up' in the last few years, god bless him, it's all faith.

 

This is completely incorrect. 147 was a negotiated weight, you would be aware of this if you followed boxing as closely as you follow the movement's of Pacquiao's crotch, like a hungry salivating puppy.

Remember this? When

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3533736

That was when the fight was falling apart over the percentage split. How many times has that happened with Floyd? Floyd agreed to 50/50 with Manny right away, which he didn't have to and which nobody expected him to.

Do you really think that there is a single other top 10 147 lb contender who wouldn't have kicked the shit out of DLH on the night Pacquiao fought him? SERIOUSLY?

Do you really think he's defying logic, and he also JUST HAPPENS to be scared of needles? How many fucking coincidences can Pactards possibly believe in?

LOL ok

cool story bro

 

It really isn't fair to say that Hatton was shot. He beat the crap out of Paul Malignaggi a year after the Floyd fight and six months before Pac, if I have the timeline correct.

Not that Malignaggi will ever be enshrined in the HOF or anything (well, maybe, considering his relationship w/ the meida, but anyway...), but shot fighters don't do him like that.

I also don't understand the argument over the weight for Pac-DLH.

Yes 147 hurt Oscar... but he was 3 lb, heavier in his previous fight. Pac was moving up two full weight classes. Not disagreeing that DLH was a dead man walking that night, but it's not like, say Juan Manuel Marquez or Nate Campbell (the top two lightweights at the time) would've duplicated the effort, or had even beaten Oscar at all. That's a fairer comparison than wondering if another welter could've done the same.

 

If you want to say that than you can just as easily say that Shane beat Margarito who just beat Cotto.

 

Edwin Valero was beating the shit out of De la Hoya everyday in sparring before the Pac fight. Just the same as Lara to Hatton before the Pac fight.

 

You're a total retard. Is that the best retort you have? Really?

You say I'm a nuthugger, but if you really think Floyd's resume at welter is better than Pacquiao's you either have a mental disability or you make Neil and RJJ look objective.

Probably the latter.

Floyd could be cock choking your mum while stamping on your face and you'd think he was your best friend.

The best retort you have to me saying Hatton wasn't shot is " OK". The standard retard response, when they have absolutely nothing of any value or logic to argue back with.

What bit about Hatton stopping Malignaggi looked shot exactly? Shot is Roy Jones, shot is being a listless shell of your former self or being unable to pull the trigger or being taken out with 1 punch by average fighters.

Please go and punch yourself in the face for being such an utter fucktard.

 

You should have added "and using your face for leverage".

 

Here we go....Boy that train is never late.

Lets see him make featherweight in his next bout.:dunno:

 

Floyd has beaten 2 lineal champs at 147. Pacs biggest win at welterweight is at 145.

 

Hatton was never any good. 140 or 147.

 

Isn't this proof Pac's not on the juice? Steroids causes hair loss. Pac rocked the Justin Bieber this year.

Case CLOSED

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