Pacquiao vs Cintron next?

Answer my question first numbnuts, who's bigger, Toney or Vitali?

 

The motion graphics are of Pac's balls.
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z, that was pretty funny, and totally unexpected. z.

 

How do you know he slept with both guys?


:dunno:

 

Because he's a raving homosexual, it's obvious.

 

Uh yeah, he was bigger around the gut and waist. What in the fuck is your point? Do you have one?

The sport of boxing uses a system of divisions determined by WEIGHTS. Why aren't they using "frames?"

 

Cool. What languages do you code in? What platforms do you code on? What are you working on now?

I'm a consultant. I do everything from software engineering (lead developer on a successful commercial IPS, have written my own kernel, written low latency oriented firmware for network devices, etc) to network engineering, to penetration testing. Right now I'm mostly doing SCADA related vulnerability research and malware reverse engineering.

 

James Toney is bigger than Vitali according to you ::

I guess if Gamboa ate pizzas, donuts and spaghetti 3 times a day for training camp and came to the ring weighing 175 pounds, he'd be bigger than Pavlik right? ::

 

I'm going to negotiate the Floyd/Pac fight right now.

I just got off the phone with Pac's people. Roach wants Floyd to come down 1/8 frame.

 

MWS' frame argument is seriously hilarious. We need to contact NSAC and get them to redo classes based on frames. Instead of weigh-ins, we'll have pre-fight Bertillon measurements taken.

 

Haha, that's pretty funny, yes I am a programmer too. I also do some consulting work.

As for languages, AS3 and C++.

The type of programming you describe is what I am not good at in the slightest.

If it doesn't move or I can't see it, I can't do it, that's why physics or anything visual is my forte.

Squeezing a huge amount of juice out of low powered platforms is my speciality, taking a more data oriented approach than pure OOP, making general pipelines, broadphases as quick as possible, deferred calculations for rendering/physics etc. I take a very performance first approach, and the good results I get are partly down to following less rules than someone from a computer science background.

Apart from guys like TexMex, I do find boxing fans to be generally more intelligent than other sports fans, ironically.

 

Yeah he is, like I said, around the waist and belly. You still haven't made a valid point.

Again, why does boxing have weight classes and not "frame classes?"

Also, you keep reaching with new terms. First it was "natural Flyweight" then "natural Featherweight" and now "frame."

You can come up with all the new terms you want, fact is, Pac is not a Featherweight anymore and he's not getting extra credit for fighting weight drained welterweights when I suspect he's perfectly comfortable there.

Pernell and Floyd both were/are small welterweights, yet I don't see any of their fans even mentioning it.:dunno:

 

It's true.

Size = frame + weight.

You cannot tell me that Toney as is big or bigger than Vitali, you also can't tell me Duran was as big as Hagler or Hearns even if he came to the ring weighing the EXACT same amount.

Forget about science for a minute, it's just common sense and logic.

Manny is a small guy. Well muscled and powerful, but 5'5 with pretty average bone structure for the height. His frame is small.

Floyd isn't exactly a big welter himself, but he is a guy with a significantly larger frame than Manny.

 

He was the same fighter at 140 that he was at 147. He was a perfect opponent for any good fighter. Low risk high reward.

 

Shane wasn't a linear champ?

Clottey is a nobody man. Pac beat this guy coming off a loss.

 

I agree, they are both small welterweights, so is Cotto.

It's about more than weight.

And yes, some fighters at some weights are much bigger than others, if their FRAMES are maximised at the weight.

Paul Williams and Hearns were both HUGE welterweights, huge. Because despite their size, they didn't look quite as skinny and frail as someone like Morales at 122. MAssive frames at the weight.

Some guys obviously just make weight better than others, or have lower bone or muscle density, and have frames that are really big at the weight.

Pavlik was a much bigger man than Martinez. Even if they weighed EXACTLY the same on fight night, nobody could argue Martinez was as big.

Weight counts for a lot. Extra weight behind the punches, extra weight to lean on the amount, and extra weight to absorb punches.

But it's only 1 half of what should really be considered size. Frame is just as important.

The bigger your frame for your weight class, the more likely you are to be able to move up in weight.

Case in point, Hatton. His frame was really maximised at 140, and he was not effective at 147.

 

YPac has been as carefully matched as anybody post Marquez 2.

 

Yeah I have to admit, it's pretty funny.

 

Oh, so you know Manny's bone structure now? Are you his M.D.?

Also, please point me into one direction, one single listing that has Manny at 5'5.

You have scratched and clawed to have awaited in every thread Pac is in to mention how he's a featherweight. Now your making him shorter and claiming to know his bone structure. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE. I'm out. Seen it all now.:Lok:

 

His bone structure is his frame. His proportions basically, take away the muscle, look at his height/width/depth, that's his bone structure. Clottey is an example of a guy with a fairly large bone strcuture for his height. He's only 5'8, but looks more or less like a natural welter.

Pacquiao is listed at 5'6, but shorter fighters especially tend to get at least an extra inch.

REED has seen Manny AND Floyd in person.

He said Floyd is a legit 5'8 and Manny is more like 5'5. Karl said the same thing.

Ask them yourself.

 

Especially for those that have never fought, it might be difficult for you to understand.

This is the simplest way I can put it.

I used to box amateur. As a lightweight. I'm 5'9, and always lean, didn't have to lose even 10 pounds to make the weight limit.

I used to train with a 5'6 featherweight that would walk around heavier than me, probably 10 pounds or so, so he would lose a fair amount to get to featherweight, over a stone and a half.

Despite that weight difference, I was the bigger man, without question. It wasn't ENOUGH of a weight advantage for him to seem bigger.

Despite being lighter, I looked and felt like the bigger, stronger fighter.

EDIT - another example is one of best friends was a 5'11 heavyweight. Similar build to someone like Solis, a fat, but solid little fucker, about 250 pounds. He honestly didn't seem as big to spar against as say, a 6'2 super middleweight, with that added height and reach, and big overall frame.

The only weird bit was hitting him hard and him literally not budging, just staying stuck to the floor like a rock, that was the main part where I noticed such a weight difference.

 

That's not true.

 

a belt but Cotto wasn't the true champ, just a paper titlist

 

yep

 

I have seen him in person as well. No way his is 5'8". I agree with 5'5"

 

Really, you don't think Floyd is a legit 5'8? That's surprising, he's one of the few people who seems to look his listed height.

REED has a pic with him too, and he's not that much shorter.

How tall would you say he is?

 

mayweather jr is a 5'8 /150lb guy. pacquiao is certainly shorter. to say he's a featherweight is pretty stupid. he hasnt entered the ring below 140+ lbs in 7 years.

 

Are you saying that Floyd beating Baldomir and Shane is more impressive than Pac beating Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito?

Just a simple 'Yes' or 'No'?