Well most of us gave Mosley a live shot at winning this fight. It turned out to be a completely one-sided fight. Does this fight enhance Pacquiao's legacy? Does he climb up the ladder of the alltime greats list?
"Most of us?" Very few people here gave Shane any chance at all. Just the fact that you asked such a ridiculously stupid question indicates that you're either a moron or a Pactard. Or more likely, both.
Don't be such a cunt. We all know that Mosley still has power. His punches are hard enough to be a threat to anyone in the division. Just ask PBF. Yes, Manny was the huge favorite but Mosley had the punchers chance.
Yes, because anyone who criticizes not even Pacquiao, but braindead homosexuals lusting after Pac's balls, must necessarily be a PBF nuthugger.
Oh, come now, be fair. Mosley had that longshot one-in-a-hundred puncher's chance. People saying Shane had no chance in hindsight are being mildly dishonest. I think most people here believed that if Shane went for the knockout in the first 3 rounds that he indeed had a slim chance of changing the fight, and I think if you watched the fight you would see that he DID have the opportunities to land big punches...... he just wouldn't pull the trigger. I think just about the only right hand he threw early on, he landed. I think Shane is not just "too old"... I think his entire mentality has changed, and he is about surviving big fights and taking home big paydays before the well dries up. Shane Mosley has no desire to win any fight, and had no desire to win the Pac fight, either. He fights so that he can secure more fights; he needs money and he wants it to be as risk-free as possible. So he signs a fight against Pac, then keeps his distance, keeps his hands up, keeps moving, and generally avoids getting hit for 12 rounds while losing every fucking round. That is now the "new" Shane Mosley.
I think it's important to remember that Shane Mosley prior to this fight is most known and respected for his great ring character. A guy who has never retreated from a brawl or rough type of fight and in this fight he was forced to be the type of fighter he has never been before. He was the discouraged guy just trying to survive who gave up on the hope of winning. Also Manny has now looked better then Floyd against 3 of the 4 HOF level guys they share on their Resume (Mosley, DLH, Hatton, and Marquez who Floyd looked better against). Floyd looked great against Shane, but Shane had some moments and though he got out boxed badly, he never retreated or was hurt at all. So to answer the question does this fight help Manny's legacy? In my opinion it does in the short run because Manny has now degraded floyd's by showing he can beat the same guys Floyd gets praised for beating and do it more dominatley and impressively in all but one case. As far as how it affects his legacy in the long run, this was just another test Manny was supposed to pass and he did. The only opponent out there left that can enhance Manny's legacy is Floyd and the same goes for Floyd with Manny. These guys need each other, boxing needs them, and the fans need to get a chance to see it happen.
It doesn't hurt him to have Shane on his resume, albeit the older version. It doesn't enhance it though. Shane was no Floyd Mayweather.
Agreed. It's another feather in his cap but if he retired and never fought Shane it wouldn't make his legacy any different.
Not really, it hasn't changed anything. His legacy could only have taken a hit, prior to the fight, and that didn't happen so it's as you were
That said, when you're so good that a guy like Shane Mosley, even at 39, goes in believing he can't win, it's quite an endorsement above and beyond just winning the fight as expected.
It gives him one more HOF victim on his resume. It enhances his legacy, even if it is not much of a victory in reality. I thought it would be an easy victory for Pacq, but the main reason I wasn't positive is that the Margarito fight was too recent. Still not sure how or why that aberration occurred, but I wouldn't be surprised if Margarito was up against a cheater/juicer that night.
Is Shane a HOF'er? I think it is debatable. Against the elite fighters he hasn't just lost but been dominated.
Of COURSE he is...World Titles @ 135, 147 AND 154...1st Man to LEGITIMATELY Beat DeLa... Beyond that, if Guys like Ken Buchanan, Bobby Chacon, Jeff Chandler, Pipino Cuevas & Ken Norton R ALREADY In the Hall, there's NOfuckingWAY Shane Won't Get In...Those Guys were GOOD Fighters, but NONE of them were as Good or Accomplished as Sugar Shane, in REED's Opinion... Even if the Boxing Hall of Fame WASN'T Ridiculously EASY to Qualify for, Sugar Shane would STILL B a Legit Entry... REED:hammert:
Read through the threads on this topic. I was calling this fight garbage all along, so were most others. I actually stated that I expected Pac to stop Mosley, I was surprised that he didn't.
it doensn't help or hurt his legacy. The peformance was ok for Manny's standards but the KO would have been nice. Still as bad as Shane looked I don't even think the KO would be highly celebrated by some.
The way I see it is this... The greater your legacy is, the harder it progressively grows to enhance it with a single bout. For instance, had Muhammad Ali been a largely anonymous fighter who didn't fight many name opponents, but recorded wins over both Jimmy Young & Ron Lyle (yes, I know both were controversial, but just making a point), they could enhance his legacy to a significant degree, but since he fought so many great fighters, & a few legends, they add very little, overall, in the sense that had they not been fought, Ali's legacy would not be tangibly diminished. Similarly, when you've scaled such incredible heights as Pacquiao has, beating a Shane Mosley who's virtually a full ten years removed from his prime (& who effectively quit, to boot) can't really do much for such a legacy, so the answer's more or less a no from me.
