Very intriguing (at both weights!). I'll give this one some thought, but I do think there is going to be some anti-Pacquiao bias expressed here, especially at Welter, owing to the fact that Mosley is looked at as a career-147lber (& arguably peaked there, though it's a debate between that & LW), & Pacquiao is stretched out over many classes.
I'd lean towards Mosley by stoppage, but if Pac's chin really is as iron as it seems at the higher weights, Pac by 7-4-1 type decision in a violent one.
Nothing in this fight has changed my mind from my initial position: Manny beats a prime Shane at 147lbs. Shane in his prime had struggled with Rivera and lost to Forrest twice. Sure he beat De La Hoya, and that was a good performance, but Oscar would have beaten him had he boxed...IMO. I've always said this. Manny's style: southpaw, lightening fast hands, prodigious workrate and stamina, dependable chin, good movement...would have always been too much for the speedy slick (spurt-fighting) slugger.
x2. There is nothing to base that on whatsoever. Manny is simply the better fighter. It would obviously be a much better fight, but there's no way Shane is going to just walk through Manny like he's nothing.
Shane Mosley by KO in the in the championship rounds....Prime Mosley takes Pacquiao punches, matches his speed, pushes him to the limit in every round....and land the most punishing punches. Pacquiao needs room to let his punches go....Cotto and Margarito were at perfect range for most of their fights vs. Pac....Mosley by simple side step made Pacquiao missed a lot...Pacquiao inside fighting doesn't exist....
Stylewise De La Hoya has a much better chance than Mosley. Would be close..perhaps Oscar by a close decision.
If they hadn't fought, you'd probably favour Shane over Forrest too. Prime Shane was still rather limited...
Didn't you see the fight the other night? Shane landed some jabs. Also at times he was position properly. A prime Shane destroys Pacquiao in one sided fashion. Manny doesn't win a second of any round.
I still honestly dont know what to make of 147 Pacquiao... hes clearly formidable, but his opposition has consisted of older, worn out guys and two worn out younger guys (Cotto, Margarito) who were overrated to begin with That said, Mosley was a very overrated welterweight who got the better of one legitimately excellent welterweight (Oscar) but was basically struggling against a fading Wilfredo Rivera (who Hoya smoked) , fighting a bunch of no-hopers (Shannan Taylor, Adrian Stone) and then was exposed in one-sided fashion by Vernon Forrest (a good, but hardly great Welterweight) ... his style was one-dimensional, aggressive slugging with fast combos but basically only a forward gear, all athletics with not a lot of technique... people have often compared him with Meldrick Taylor, but to me Taylor looked like Nicholino Locche by comparison in the boxing department... Taylor could actually stick and move, punch and get out, make a guy miss, he just forgot to do that sometimes... Mosley never could do it in the first place Like I said, Pac isnt an automatic to me at 147, I think the major decline of the sport in the last decade or so has aided him somewhat, as evidenced that the best young welters (Ortiz, Berto, etc) seem laughably unthreatening to him in my eyes... but Mosley was never a great welterweight either
Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, De La Hoya and Mosley aren't a welterweight master class (especially the as the last two were well beyond their past days) but they still represented at least the top 5 of the division when Pacquiao fought them. It's also a better list og guys than Shane beat @ 135 where he was considered a beast. I'm not sold on Manny being a "true" welterweight either, but really that speaks more in favor of his accomplishments. I wouldn't be too surprised if the guy could still make the lightweight limit. Yet he's absolutely demolished all of the welters put in front of him. He didn't slickly outmaneuver them to narrow points wins like smaller guys typically have to do.
This is a very important point that is often missed around here IMO. You can ask questions about the guys he has beaten of late, but not one of them has won more than a couple of rounds and he has bounced them around like no-one's business. That is very impressive stuff, despite the question marks. MTF
Yep. Even if you take the lesser guys out of that list (Margarito and Clotty imo) how many guys that were world champions at featherweight would you pick to go 24 round to 0 against them?
I def agree with you guys on all of that, but I would like to see him against a legit active dangerous welterweight
They need to quit making it rain with cliche-ridden tits like 50 Cent and get back to the day job for that to happen though mate
Right. I can't think of a big guy he's defeated that I would pick over any other historically great welter. So it's really hard to say. Not saying he couldn't, not saying he could... just don't know. What I do know, however, is Manny has looked fucking incredible since moving up.
Yes, I'll second that, too. These guys we're talking about, prime versions of Mosley, De La Hoya & co --- they could hardly do any better against Pacquiao's Welterweight opposition than Pacquiao himself has.
It has nothing to do with what Shane did to Manny, and everything to do with how Shane looked in his prime vs his current state.
In his prime, Shane managed to just edge DLH, he struggled with an already fading Wildredo Rivera and he stopped two bums... also, he failed to do ANYTHING noteworthy in 24 rounds with Vernon Forrest he's the most overrated fighter of the last 40 years
I'd say that distinction belongs to Manny Pacquiao. Hopefully Floyd Mayweather Jr proves it sooner rather than later.
