What Do You Think It Is About Manny's boxing

That makes him so effective?

Also, what Do You Think It Is About Manny's boxing That is mostly different from the Manny @ Lower weights?

List the attributes in order of effectiveness...

 

He has all kinds of talent and physical ability, but what accounts most for his success, and the reason he'll fight anyone, is that he's a true fighter. The man is a warrior in the ring. He's determined. He's mean. He's fierce. And though he's smaller in stature than his opponents of late, he's managed to intimidate them all with his relentless and explosive pursuit of violence.

He's one of those fighters that has his opponents walking back to their corners shaking their heads, wondering, "what the fuck is up with this guy?"

 

I don't know that he's as fast as he was below LW, but he's fighting bigger slower guys so it seems that he is as fast. The biggest difference I see in Manny these days is of course he's a two handed fighter now. His footwork has improved 10 fold, he used to be a guy who came right down the middle all the time, his aggression won him a lot of fights. Now, he uses his improved footwork and his two handed power in combination with angles, he doesn't just attack straight ahead, he comes from every angle you can imagine.

 

I just think that he's gotten older and wiser. Perhaps has become more of a student of the game. In my opinion he's improved his overall boxing skills. I'll Holla 5000

 

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Two things stick out to me at the higher weights. First is obviously mobility. Second is the unorthodox flurries he throws that keep guys on the defensive long enough to get in and out. He mixes in arm punches from odd angles basically just to keep guys occupied and they give him extra time to either pick out further hard shots or exploit his foot speed advantage and get back out of range.

 

I don't think Pac is a puncher at 147, BTW. That's 4 consecutive fights where his opponent has seen the 12th round, despite landing at will. He probably has below average power at welterweight beyond the surprise factor of landing occasional shots that catch guys blinded and off balance.

 

He's a freak athlete, for starters.

The combination of speed and power. And he carried it up to the higher weights..

And he's tightened up his all around game. His punching accuracy and timing has VASTLY improved.

He attacks from angles. Always going in an in and out motion. Never stops feinting or moving his head.

Its apparent that he struggled to make weight at 126 and 130 all those years. He fights at whatever weight he feels comfortable these days and it plays well into his hands when he's facing big guys that struggle to make weight.

 

Nevermind that Mosley said he'd never felt power like that before, and that it had only been the second time in his career he was knocked down.

And so what if Cotto saw the 12th round - he was still stopped.

You think if Pacquiao weren't a puncher that Margarito, Mosley, not to mention ODH would not have just walked through his stuff and beaten him down mercilessly (think Jack Johnson/Stanley Ketchel)?

He definitely has one-punch knock-out power. He put Cotto on his azz, and the second time Cotto was hurt severely. And he put Mosley on his azz with one punch, hurting him badly as well.

You have to remember that Pacquiao is fighting elite fighters everytime out. Elite fighters may lose now and again, but it's not often they are knocked out - even, and perhaps especially, when they're facing opponents perceived to be big punchers.

 

When he actually knocks out a single welterweight with one punch or even comes any where near doing so I'll consider that he might be a 1 shot puncher at welter. 5 fights in, it's pretty obvious he isn't.

Enough to keep guys honest, enough to score the occasional KD when he catches guys blind and off balance. No more than that.

Mosley can say what he likes (to justify throwing about 20 committed power shots in 12 rounds).

 

I think you're underrating his power at welterweight Hut Hut.

He's had 3 decision in a row, but quite simply, against 3 VERY tough welterweights.

Clottey and Mosley have never been KO'd, and both basically fought NOT to get KO'd, plus Plasterito at 154, who is a massive welterweight and tough, that's about the only thing he has going for him.

You want to use those 3 fighters as an example of Manny's power?

Come on.

I think it's clear in all 3 fights he has very respectable power at 147, he just happened to be in with 3 fighters with very good chins.

 

He's a good, not devastating puncher at the weight, IMO. He's still a devastating offensive fighter beyond that just give how many hard shots and how many blind shots he can land. But in terms of raw power, nothing special.

 

Devastating? No, but a very good one.

Let me put it this way, even though I don't think he has true one shot power at 147, I think he hits harder than any other WW right now. Think about the top 10 welterweights, do you think any one of them is a more effective puncher than Pacquiao?

Floyd's power is pretty average for the weight. Berto has respectable power for the weight, but nothing special, Ortiz probably the same.

 

I've been watching him for a number of years now, & I think I would say it's down to four key points...

Speed: He is blisteringly quick. Has been since the lower weights, & is still a step or two ahead of most guys as he's gotten older, partly owing to his fighting bigger men, who aren't as mobile or reflexive as Pacquiao's sub-135 rivals. In every weightclass, he has been at or near the top for his swiftness.

Power: It isn't as bone-shattering up around 147-154 as it was in the lower divisions, no, but he's hurting (& hurting plenty) everyone he lays a glove on. There hasn't been a single fighter Pacquiao hasn't wounded between 122-154 that I can remember.

Angles: Some of them are just so unsual, & when he arrives at them with the swiftness he does, you can visibly see even experienced fighters just do not see where the punch is coming from. That first knockdown of Cotto was a classical example. I believe this is partly what Ignacio Beristain was referring to when he called Pacquiao's style, "not very clear." Beristain is absolutely a first-class cornerman, & his difficulties interpreting Pacquiao from the corner should fill rival boxers & their trainers with dread.

Endurance: The above three attributes would make any fighter very dangerous, but when Pacquiao puts the final piece of the puzzle into play, & it turns out to be the ability to sustain up-tempo, high-octane assaults over twelve rounds, even while taking not inconsiderable return fire (both Marquez fights, for instance, & reports were he spent two days foetal in bed from Margarito's body assault), the mountain becomes a very steep one indeed to climb for an opposing fighter.

You transplant those four points above on any boxer & watch them raise hell.

 

What do I think about Manny's boxing? I think he's that fucking good .

 

Maybe I should've went with this instead ::

 

Steroids/GH/EPO

 

Innocent til proven guilty my boy.

 

That applies in a court of law, not in the arena of common sense.

 

My spider sense is telling me pac is just a freak of nature and worthy champion that does not use PED'S. Peace out.

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My spider sense is telling me that pro wrestling is real and that there are WMDs in Iraq.

 

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What I think is that it's really, really good.

 

Typical Flomo: "everyone that writes positively about Pac is this thread is a Pactard".

 

Manny came from 106 lbs so he has so much speed and spent most of his developmental years fighting guys who were so much faster then the guys he has fought today. The thing that makes Manny special is that he brought strength and power with him. I can't think of any fighter in history who has moved up this many weight classes and retained a punch and strength like Manny has.

Top level Welterweights like Cotto, Mayweather, Mosley, Ortiz, Berto ect... are fast for welterweights but compared to the guys Manny faced early is his carrier they aren't really anything special in the speed department (boxing's most prized attribute) and now that Manny is as strong as these guys, it's hard to compete with him because they can't beat him to the punch, he beats them to the punch.

 

Pacquiao is a very good fighter, but let's not forget that it has not been too long ago when he loss to Morales (yeah he got revenge); let's also not forget that he has yet to dominate Marquez.

For some reason, there are people out there that act like the Marquez fights hardly happened! The biggest flaw in Pacquiao's style is his defense and problems against a good counter puncher. Marquez keeps those fights close because of his counter punching ability. That's why, based on that alone, I pick Floyd when ever they do fight.

Marquez is a very good counter puncher, but Floyd is an other worldy counter puncher! Not to mention his underrated power when he does counter.

Paquiao's biggest assets are his speed, power, overwhelming punch output and his southpaw stance. An excellent counter puncher cuts that output virtually in half, then he'll be out of his element.

 

Agreed.

 

You mean six years and three or four weightclasses ago? The only defeat hes had this century?

Pacquiao has since beaten just about everyone but Mayweater.

 

Um, what a bizarre thing to say.

That fight was over 6 years ago. That's probably as long as the average prime section of a boxer's career.

It was a fucking long time ago, and Manny is a very different fighter now to the one from 6 years ago.