HAHA to all the idiots...

I thought De Gale had allot of potential & I loved his style, but I was expressing doubts in the last couple of months leading up to this about his defense. So I'm wringing my hands of calling anybody stupid for not being a true believer. :scared2:

And in defense of Slice & Shake, De Gale has close ties with their team, it's natural they were gonna get right behind him. Boxing would be in trouble if De Gale didn't get their support.

 

It's going to be interesting now to see who benefits most from this fight. Obviously, Groves can take the glory from beating DeGale again, but does not necessarily mean he is going to have a better career.

 

I hold my hands up and admit that I didn't give Groves a chance in hell of beating DeGale. I thought DeGale would pick him off with relative ease during the fight and eventually stop him as he laid into him against the ropes.

I admit too that Groves proved me wrong and fought the way he needed to fight and made life difficult for DeGale.

 

DeGale needs a mentor influence like Khan benefited from after his loss. Crossroads type stage. McDonnel ain't it.

 

Agreed. Roach would be perfect, but won't happen because of the Khan-Warren situation

 

Who do you think we can DeGale matched up with next? Groves too?

 

It's all banter by the way lads, no hard feelings ::, Royness is cool with me

 

I'm like some sort of prickly 16th century Italian aristocrat, I just can't fucking stand bad manners :: I demand satisfaction, sir!

 

I've read that Magee would consider a fight with Groves.

http://www.boxingscene.com/brian-magee-consider-george-groves-showdown--39459

 

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I bet he would! :crafty: $$$

 

To be fair to Groves he has had two very tough fights with good fighters in his last three, so is entitled to an easy defence. Someone like Quigley or a prizefighter winner, something like that would be good for him next.

DeGale should maybe have a warm up and take on Anderson or something. I wouldn't have a rematch until they have both developed alot more, let them take their own paths for a bit

 

You're not wrong there.

As you know I thought you and Slice were crazy for thinking he was THAT good, but don't forget I have liked James since the olympics, and was just kidding with the Groves KO 1 and stuff.

I thought James would win pretty decisively, so despite not rating him as highly as you guys, he's actually not as good as I thought he was. Although it IS 50% that Groves is better than I thought.

But yeah, to some extent he was exposed, because he looked (and even admitted to being) downright frustrated with Groves's pretty basic jab and move, counter punch style. He didn't look like a clever fighter in there with a high ring IQ that's for sure.

Slicey, how do you think DeGale would do against a 10 fight Slappy Joe now? ;)

 

He doesn't have to defend shit. I know what it means to be a fan or even groupie of a fighter if you want. If people think deGale shits golden bricks I'm cool with that - just when someone sticks you an eat crow thread on a fucking boxing message board I'd expect people not to react like I just made fun of their younger sister for losing both of her legs in a car accident...

Bad manners... :notallthere:


and thx slice - I thought I was gonna get no love at all on here today... ::

 

Haha, well I'll admit I'd favour Calzaghe at this moment in time, but the styles would match up well as he wouldn't have to look for Joe. Still yeah I'll admit Calzaghe would be favourite.

Fighters develop in different ways though, I still feel DeGale will prove to be special, I'll happily eat my crow and admit I was wrong about alot of things but the talent is clear to see IMO. Much work needs to be done but the journey is far from over. TEAM CHUNKY!!

 

Just wanna say as well, my biggest regret is that Sutherland decided to off himself, the match ups with Chunky and Groves would have been awesome. Really nice style match ups, very different. RIP fella

 

Slice and Shake: you are both stand up fellas in my book but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I think you both, and Hut, are wrong on DeGale. I think he's a decent sort and no more. His Olympic win was the ugliest I've seen in years (and I've said so in the past) and I think his lack of boxing nous was exposed (and yes, I hate that word too) last night. He has a hell of a long way to go before he is mixing it with the big boys and I'm not at all convinced he'll make it.

MTF

 

McDonnell is the wrong trainer for him, he simply isn't good enough to bring the best out of James.

James should do what Amir did, and go to Roach or someone else in the states.

 

Leaving aside who I wanted to win, it's f'n great these guys took this risk on themselves at this stage in their career. Every British boxing fan owes Ricky Hatton a massive debt since he triggered this new outlook among Brit fighters. I think anyway.

Great match up, good fight, right decision. Agreeable aftertaste all round, jaja.:mj:

 

I am agreement. I am agreement. I sweat agreeable like 40 indians.

 

We only saw a small percentage of james' ability vs Groves. I think he froze.

A big shame.

We still believe.

 

Shake and Slice, I'm pretty disappointed that you both scored the fight for DeGale, seemingly the only two around here that did. Some objectivity, please!

 

I have to admit I have not based my verdict on wanting DeGale to win and being a fan, purely on each round. I still believe DeGale landed the more effective, cleaner shots and finished the fight the stronger. Groves was always moving alot more than DeGale and did throw more, but did not land as well/as much as people thought. I truly stick by this.

 

It's not exactly crazy to have De Gale winning. There were allot of close rounds and he was the aggressor.

 

Plenty of people had it the same, it was very close with lots of close rounds. It's not like it was a whitewash or anything.

 

this thread title is an example of what is wrong with boxing and its fans today. a fighter loses a close fight to a good opponent and he is now shite and anyone who thought he wasn't shite is an idiot.

 

Word.

Whilst Groves standing has gone up in my estimations, DeGales hasn't diminished one bit. I still feel he's the better prospect but it was Groves night so all credit to him

 

Slicey, come on man.

There's no need to write DeGale off, but at the same time, how can your opinion of him NOT be diminished?

He looked pretty confused by Groves' basic boxing, and looked FAR from the technician he was being lauded as. He actually seemed like a pretty basic fighter, truth be told, unable to find a way to effectively counter Groves' classic jab and move and counterpunch style.

And it's not like Groves looked amazing, it was more a combination of DeGale being worse than advertised and Groves being better.

Let me put it like this Slice, if he was a future P4Per, Groves would have been Ledwaba'd.

 

Why should it be diminished? I didn't view Calzaghe as a bad fighter or overrated even though I thought he lost to Reid, who fought a very basic fight against Joe. It's just one of those things. I'll say this too, DeGale can improve ALOT, whilst I don't think Groves can go many levels above that performance.

 

Slice, Calzaghe had broken his hand and Reid was an Olympic medallist and former WBC champ ::