The first fight is always more important than the rematch...

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by steve_dave, May 24, 2011.

Page 1 of 3
  1. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    What bullshit.

    Take Leonard/Duran, for example. You can't tell me with a straight face that the first fight was more important in the big picture than the rematch - the rematch that set everything back to the way it was, and set the stage for one of the biggest fights ever (Leonard-Hearns)

    There are plenty of other examples. Fuck this myth.
     
    steve_dave, May 24, 2011
    #1
  2. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2002
    Messages:
    17,162
    Likes Received:
    1,714
    Home Page:
    good post
     
    Ugotabe Kidding, May 24, 2011
    #2
  3. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    25,345
    Likes Received:
    3,697
    Location:
    West London
    Agreed.
     
    Slice N Dice, May 24, 2011
    #3
  4. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Agreed. In fact I would say...SPLENDID post!
     
    Destruction and Mayhem, May 24, 2011
    #4
  5. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    25,345
    Likes Received:
    3,697
    Location:
    West London
    DeGale-Groves II will prove this
     
    Slice N Dice, May 24, 2011
    #5
  6. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    108,159
    Likes Received:
    8,085
    Location:
    In The Trenches With My Boy Sepp
    Home Page:
    Agreed. Wlad vs Brewster II was the truth. This is fact.
     
    Irish, May 24, 2011
    #6
  7. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2010
    Messages:
    45,325
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Earth
    Another example is Lewis-Rahman 2 fight series. To borrow your phrase:

    [it was] the rematch that set everything back to the way it was, and set the stage for one of the biggest fights ever...
     
    Destruction and Mayhem, May 24, 2011
    #7
  8. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    Good one. :bears:
     
    steve_dave, May 24, 2011
    #8
  9. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    It's as if the first fight didn't even happen in a lot of cases.
     
    steve_dave, May 24, 2011
    #9
  10. Irish

    Irish Yuge, Beautiful

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    108,159
    Likes Received:
    8,085
    Location:
    In The Trenches With My Boy Sepp
    Home Page:
    first fights should be stricken from the records!!!

    Hear Hear!!!

    Down with Robinson vs Basilio 1, LaMotta vs Robinson 1, Tarver vs Jones 1!! Down!!! I sez down!!!
     
    Irish, May 24, 2011
    #10
  11. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    Always is a key word here. It obviously goes both ways.

    Still, Tarver/Jones is a great example. The rematch is obviously much more important than the first fight.
     
    steve_dave, May 24, 2011
    #11
  12. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2002
    Messages:
    47,275
    Likes Received:
    5,130
    Add Randall - Chavez 1 and Norris - Brown 1 :cheer:
     
    whiskey, May 24, 2011
    #12
  13. mexican wedding shirt

    mexican wedding shirt The Greatest of Are Times

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2003
    Messages:
    28,647
    Likes Received:
    283
    I disagree, the first fight is generally the most important.

    Especially in the case of Duran Vs Leonard.

    When they were both at their best, Duran won.
     
    mexican wedding shirt, May 24, 2011
    #13
  14. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    Cool.

    Still, in the real world, at the time, the rematch was obviously much more imporant.
     
    steve_dave, May 24, 2011
    #14
  15. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    70,658
    Likes Received:
    5,907
    Occupation:
    Involved in hyperbole
    Location:
    Interzone
    I've never even heard this myth before. Are you sure you haven't made it up? :lol:

    I'll say this though - the match ups that happen in regulation rings are always more important than fights that happen in big clown rings custom made to let one guy avoid participating in the sport in question.
     
    Last edited: May 24, 2011
    Hut*Hut, May 24, 2011
    #15
  16. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    Ive never understood that point of view myself... If it were true, why would the guy who won the first time even bother to try in the seocnd fight?

    He could just say "well, the first one counted, but this was just an exhibition match"
     
    cdogg187, May 24, 2011
    #16
  17. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    70,658
    Likes Received:
    5,907
    Occupation:
    Involved in hyperbole
    Location:
    Interzone
    I not only don't understand that point of view, Ive never even fucking heard of it :lol:
    80% sure Steve just made it up on the spot as an excuse to slate Duran.
     
    Hut*Hut, May 24, 2011
    #17
  18. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2002
    Messages:
    17,162
    Likes Received:
    1,714
    Home Page:
    And what exactly is wrong with that?
     
    Ugotabe Kidding, May 24, 2011
    #18
  19. REEDsART

    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2003
    Messages:
    57,833
    Likes Received:
    4,314
    Location:
    CURTIS COKES' Birthplace...
    Duran Might have Been @ HIS Best, but Leonard Most Certainly WASN'T...The Leonard that Beat Thomas Hearns was Better than EITHER Version of Leonard in the Preceding Duran Fights.....
     
    REEDsART, May 24, 2011
    #19
  20. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    A bunch of guys around here have said this in the past. Serious.
     
    steve_dave, May 24, 2011
    #20
  21. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    Obviously.
     
    steve_dave, May 24, 2011
    #21
  22. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    yep. Tam used to say it all the time
     
    cdogg187, May 24, 2011
    #22
  23. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    70,658
    Likes Received:
    5,907
    Occupation:
    Involved in hyperbole
    Location:
    Interzone
    I WILL KILL YOU!
     
    Hut*Hut, May 24, 2011
    #23
  24. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2010
    Messages:
    5,905
    Likes Received:
    3
    No. Marquez clearly won out over Vazquez first time, but was stopped prematurely in the return and robbed of his championship. That was the day I decided there and then never to trust rematches.

    They are always up to no good.
     
    Ramonza Soliloquies, May 24, 2011
    #24
  25. cdogg187

    cdogg187 GLADYS

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2002
    Messages:
    90,394
    Likes Received:
    4,376
    Occupation:
    SUCK MY BALLS!!
    Location:
    Beyond The Pale
    :giggle:
     
    cdogg187, May 24, 2011
    #25
  26. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    30,692
    Likes Received:
    4
    :lol:
     
    steve_dave, May 24, 2011
    #26
  27. Roll With The Punches

    Roll With The Punches WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2003
    Messages:
    11,060
    Likes Received:
    589
    Location:
    Poland
    Home Page:
    the first fight is the one that counts

    that's why boxing is great...there's 1 fight and it is significant.....not a "best 6 out of 10 fights" shit that you guys like
     
    Roll With The Punches, May 24, 2011
    #27
  28. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2002
    Messages:
    24,786
    Likes Received:
    6,011
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Motherfucker
    Location:
    -49.330540, 68.950885
    Louis vs. Schmelling?
     
    Anthony, May 24, 2011
    #28
  29. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2010
    Messages:
    5,905
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ali vs. Liston?
     
    Ramonza Soliloquies, May 24, 2011
    #29
  30. Roll With The Punches

    Roll With The Punches WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2003
    Messages:
    11,060
    Likes Received:
    589
    Location:
    Poland
    Home Page:
    Roy vs Tarver?
     
    Roll With The Punches, May 24, 2011
    #30
Page 1 of 3

Share This Page