The first fight is always more important than the rematch...

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  1. Anthony

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    no way. Liston took a dive.
     
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  2. Dog Jones

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    Jones vs Griffin
     
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  3. Anthony

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    This is a tough one for me
     
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  4. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    Rematch was MUCH more important.
     
    steve_dave, May 24, 2011
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  5. Dog Jones

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    Jones vs. Hopkins
     
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  6. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    That was the point I was making, it was in countenance to yours. Rematches are dirty business, IMO. The best of them are living in the past and trying to re-write history, instead of accepting their favourite fighters dont always win and moving on. The worst of them are fixes or otherwise not on the level.

    Rematches are dirty pool, whether its sullying great fights (Castillo-Corrales II), being in denial over upsets (Turpin-Robinson I), or shaming the sport (Ali-Liston II).
     
    Ramonza Soliloquies, May 25, 2011
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    yes. I agree.....but they mirror the core raison d'etre of boxing itself- they are lucrative. This is prize-fighting and what makes a better prize gets made.

    Its filthy and has resulted in some of the stupidest fights- Oscar vs Chavez II was one of them- but we will always have them.
     
    Irish, May 25, 2011
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  8. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Of course, but I cannot like them.

    Imagine if the evil which is the rematch had got its way on Douglas-Tyson, one of the great moments in history wouldve been forever tainted by Tyson winning an easy return.
     
    Ramonza Soliloquies, May 25, 2011
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  9. Hut*Hut

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    I can't even find the inroad into understanding this....

    Vazquez-Marquez 2-3
    Ali-Frazier 3
    Morales-Barrera 3
    Arguellos vs EscaleraII
    Robinson-Lamotta 2,3,4...
    Pep-SaddlerII
    Robinson-Basilio 2

    And thats only the great fights, not the fights that helped us better understand who was better which for me is at least as important. Boxing history wouldn't be nearly as rich or decisive & satisfying without series'.
     
    Hut*Hut, May 25, 2011
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  10. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    (clown ring rematches don't count)
     
    Hut*Hut, May 25, 2011
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  11. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    I am just posting in cheek, Hut...

    ...except for the bit about Marquez being robbed against Vazquez. That happened.
     
    Ramonza Soliloquies, May 25, 2011
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  12. Hut*Hut

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    OK, Im a big dummy and will go hide for a while until people have forgotten about this embarrassing incident.:scared2::goingmad:
     
    Hut*Hut, May 25, 2011
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  13. Roll With The Punches

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    why?

    it gave no indication of what naturally goes down when the 2 fighters are paired up for the first time
     
    Roll With The Punches, May 25, 2011
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    But it gave good indication of what goes down when the 2 fighters are paired up for the second time
     
    Ugotabe Kidding, May 25, 2011
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  15. whiskey

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    Very true but the second time is not as good of an indication what goes down when they meet for the 3rd time.
     
    whiskey, May 25, 2011
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    It's kind of ridiculous to apply a general rule here, as opposed to taking it on a case by case basis.
     
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  17. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Good point. Many people forget this
     
    Ugotabe Kidding, May 25, 2011
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  18. steve_dave

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    Agreed.
     
    steve_dave, May 25, 2011
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  19. Roll With The Punches

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    two fighters only meet once

    this isn't basketball, guys...no matter how badly you wish it was
     
    Roll With The Punches, May 25, 2011
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    This does not apply to the cases when two fighters meet two times
     
    Ugotabe Kidding, May 25, 2011
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  21. Hut*Hut

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    Hut*Hut, May 25, 2011
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  22. whiskey

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    Agreed again. There's a very subtle difference.
     
    whiskey, May 25, 2011
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  23. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    This thread is awful :lol:
     
    Hut*Hut, May 25, 2011
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    As long as the general rule makes Duran look like the quitting, overrated bitch he was, that's the rule I support.

    Fuck Duran.
     
    mikE, May 25, 2011
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  25. Hut*Hut

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    Don't make me come over there, Mike. I'll getcha!
     
    Hut*Hut, May 25, 2011
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  26. joony

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    it depends on the timing of the rematch too.
     
    joony, May 25, 2011
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  27. ElTerriblee

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    Of course. Erik Morales ftw. :bow:
     
    ElTerriblee, May 25, 2011
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    yes, except for the ten zillion rematches and trilogies that have occured since the beginning of the sport
     
    cdogg187, May 25, 2011
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  29. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    :lol:

    Cracking thread, this.
     
    Ramonza Soliloquies, May 26, 2011
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  30. Roll With The Punches

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    those fights don't count! :bangh: :goingmad:
     
    Roll With The Punches, May 26, 2011
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