Instances where a fighter has gotten too much props for losing

I always felt Lennox Lewis got way too little credit for his game showing with Rahman in South Zuma Land. Rahman after all had that brace of wins over Maskaev and was clearly a talented operator.

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I think Byrd got way too much credit for his loss to Wlad, part I, I mean, all that poison on those gloves.....

 

Cunt.

 

Not sure how Duran can possibly be considered overrated either.

He's arguably the best fighter ever, P4P. Towards the end of his lightweight reign he was a pure fighting machine, and the same guy that beat Palomino and Leonard would probably beat any fighter in history.

Even though he's a great fighter and his effort was admirable, the first person that springs to mind is Marquez in the first Pacquiao fight. He lost clearly, but somehow people think he won.

I think people gave him rounds based on not being knocked down 3 times, based in large part to simply being able to come back as well as he did.

What makes Duran Vs Leonard one of the best wins in history is obviously that Leonard wasn't faded or shot or weight drained.

He wasn't just prime, he was at his peak and undefeated.

That's what makes it such an incredible win, and leagues above Pacquiao Vs Oscar, despite there being a smaller size difference between Duran and Leonard.

 

If I was a cunt I'd be useful, though not to you, button-down boy :nono:

You been to Munsingwear to get kitted out yet???

 

Agreed. There is no way Marquez won the 11 remaning rounds like people claim. It was a close fight and the the 3KDs should have been the difference regardless.

 

word.

 

Ramonza will hate me for saying this, but Billy Conn's legacy as a fighter is drmatically enhanced by boxing beautifully and getting knocked out by Joe Louis... his comp at 175 is respectable, but not great

 

90s Foreman - Holyfield.

 

They both should have gotten zero respect.ray:

Big George did do a great post-fight interview.

 

Billy Conn's warm-up before the Louis fight outshines most things most fighters have done in their careers. Standing in with a heavyweight for as long and as well as he did puts him over the top.

 

Golota vs Bowe springs to mind....way too much credit for fouling to get advantages and then quitting


Roy Jones vs Montel Griffen....Roy gets way too much credit for getting schooled and then fouling due to the frustration of being schooled

 

Golota outjabbed Bowe. Bowe himself said it threw him off and surprised him. Golota landed a lot of clean leather. The crowd showed their sympathy by hitting him with a walkie-talkie.:warning:

 

Jones-Tarver 1.

Tarver fought well in giving Jones a tough fight, and his defense to Roy's head shots was solid as he'd pull back or block most of them, but he choked this one away. If he didn't choke it away, then you have to credit Roy for the bodywork in making Tarver leery. Either way, Tarver spent too much time standing and looking at Roy.

Lewis-Klitschko.

Klitschko showed heart and gave Lewis a tough fight. He also fought the oldest, heaviest Lewis that's ever entered a fight, and lost fairly as his eye was badly cut. It's not exactly on the level of stopping Lewis with right hands a la McCall/Rahman, or going even through 10 with a much younger Lewis like Mercer did.

Does Holyfield-Foreman count? Foreman fought very well considering his age, and deserves credit for making it competitive and staying on his feet. But people sure do (or did) exaggerate how close the fight was.

 

Duran would just beat Floyd in a competitive fight.

Emile Griffith would butt fuck Floyd.

 

It does, good one.

Foreman was more competive than expected so his performance was thus given more credit during the fight by the announcers (ones i remember calling it) let alone afterward.

 

Erik Morales vs Maidana.

 

No. He was a great fighter, but his reputation is based more on his loss against Louis than any of his wins.

 

Wrongly, I might add. I wish there were a whole lot more focus on the rest of Conn's career, personally.

 

possibly because his wins all came against guys who were the same weight as him.....:Ramonza:

 

Holyfield clearly won, but it was doubtless an altogether impressive display, for sure.

This one is a little contentious perhaps, but --- Bert Cooper vs. Holyfield?

 

Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Pacquiao

Nothing about Marquez' career is all that legendary, but people put him up there with the all time greats. The highlight of Marquez' career is getting up off the canvas against Pacquiao.

 

I'd say the highlight of his career was outboxing Pacquiao for the next 11 rounds afterward.

 

more possibly because his prime at 175 came at a time when the division was in a down era... Conn's comp was solid, not terrible, but not entirely remarkable

 

Agree

Marquez is a tremendous fighter, but there are guys here who actually think he was better than Julio Cesar Chavez... that is absolutely nuts

 

To be fair, that's the same guy who thinks Miguel Cotto is a better fighter at 154 than Winky Wright was

 

and that Marquez hit harder than Naseem hamed:notallthere:

 

In a fight where he was lucky to come away with a draw.

Yet he's still on the top half of many ppl's p4p lists

 

yeah but he fought more than his fair share of guys who were bigger than him.....and did better than OK too. Conn decisioned 6'0" 186lb Lee Savold a full 12 years before Louis and Marciano got around to fighting Savold. You just don't see 175llbrs do that sort of thing anymore- namely take on guys who are naturally 10lbs bigger and beat them up. Sure, Savold wasn't the 2nd coming of Max Baer but still......what was Marciano doing fighting the guy 12 years later?

 

Hate to say it because Morales fucking rules....but yeah. That fight was in no way close.