Roy Jones Jr. Was his chin always suspect?

Cmon tiny Tarver's shot looked great only because Roy's chin is glass. Who else do you see Tarver ko'ing with single shots ? I know Roy was your childhood hero right after Ronald McDonald but cmon get a grip.

 

Show me another fight that Tarver landed that flush on anyone.

 

Off the top of my head his rematch with Harding. He landed like 50 flush shots to end it....

 

Neither of whom are routinely referred to as the most talented fighter ever, the most gifted, sometimes even the best ever.

There is no comparing Jones' resume to the guys I mentioned earlier, none. If looking fantastic and appearing invicible (not actually being it) were all it took, then Ricardo Lopez would be my #1 Mexican of all-time, but it isnt, so he isnt. Jones isnt even near to proving his mettle to the same extent as so many before him.

You may call it hating on my part, but I note with interest you call the same thing, "backlash," in another thread.

 

Why ISN'T There Any Comparing Roy's Resume to Some of the Names U Noted???...

REED Thinks Roy's Resume Compares Favorably w/Sandy Saddler's...REED Thinks Roy's BEATEN BETTER Guys than Thomas Hearns Did...Hearns FOUGHT the Leonards & Haglers of the World but he Never BEAT them...& Did Ezzard Charles REALLY Accomplish More than Roy Did???...Charles NEVER Held the Lightheavy Title or ANY Title for that Matter, Until he Got to Heavyweight...

REED Figured U'd Bring Ricardo Lopez Into this, as it PAINS that U that Roy Jones was Not Only MORE TALENTED, but Also had the SUPERIOR Resume...He SHITS on Ricardo Lopez, Dude...



REED:Lok:

 

Did you look at the context of Lopez's mention, or just see his name and start typing? I have to ask, reading your reply. In any event, its not to matter. You completely lost me when you asked why Jones' resume cant be compared to Charles'. You and I are best to put the cue in the rack at this point.

 

None of those punches were like the one landed on Roy. Not one.

 

Either that or understand the guy came back too early from a ko loss and was brutally ko'd again. If you think that won't lower your punch resistance, you don't watch boxing.

 

REED Didn't Say Anything about Roy & Charles in the Area of RESUME...REED Spoke of their Respective ACCOMPLISHMENTS...

REED

 

Charles stopped Archie Moore at lightheavy. Is there anything Roy did at lightheavy which compares?

 

The behind the back punch. :bears:

 

It's settled, then --- beating garbagemen, police officers & schoolteachers & winning trinket belts in multi-divisions (even those which didn't exist in Charles' day) >>> Whipping on HOFers like it's going out of style.

Yeah, right ::

 

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Good point. I've also never seen Charles do chicken impressions at light heavyweight.

 

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I don't know what to tell you then.

 

The circumstances of Roy's chin issues can be looked at from a few different angles, where some look at the events and see a clearly circumstantial, outward cause of a decline in chin, and others see the events as proof the chin was never any good.

I think it is sort of a mix.

The Del Valle fight is probably the best gauge of the truth, since it occurred before any of the events in question. And I would conclude that Roy has always had a propensity to be easily stunned by punches. Throughout his career, Roy was not hit flush very often, and I honestly think that until years after Del Valle he was never hit again by a punch he just didn't see. It is one thing to get hit - Roy was not so masterful that he never got hit - but when he did, he was always turning, tucking, moving, etc. Del Valle just popped him straight out, no mitigation by Roy, and down Roy went.

But he got back up. He did, however, seem stunned for just a second or two in a way that he could not even put his foot back down on the canvas without falling down like a pile of rocks. He literally was so out of it that he went from standing to flattened in one fell swoop, there was no recovery or stabilizing whatsoever until he got off the floor.

This was Roy's chin. Suspect? Yeah, I'd say so. But between his abilities and his heart, this did not really matter until he started slowing down.

Now, if you start taking the move to heavyweight and back into consideration, and the (perhaps) too quick return from the Tarver KO, etc., you can make a good case that these things made his punch resistance even worse, or even argue that he had good punch resistance and that these events made him lose it completely. But I would then ask, what changed since Del Valle, really? The next time after that that Roy got hit straight with a punch he didn't see, the EXACT same thing happened. Got stunned, was oblivious for a second or two, flopped on the canvas like a dying soldier, then got up (although not as quickly the 2nd time). Honestly, what was different between 1998 and 2004? It was even a left hand both times, was it not?

I'd bet based on this paradigm that in 1996 or 95 or whenever if Roy got popped flush by a good punch he didn't seem he would have had the same reaction, but probably would have gotten up quickly unless the punch was utterly devastating.

Everything that happened subsequently to the first Tarver fight was really as you would expect based on what I am saying. I am not saying that getting KO'd didn't make things worse - I am sure it did. I am also not saying that the weight move didn't make things worse - it may have. I am just saying that in my opinion Roy has always been suspect to an almost bizarre removal from his senses when taking blows to the head. Everyone reacts differently - some guys get shaken and take a step back, some guys have to cover up, some guys look awful and seem fatigued (Gatti), some guys will end up taking a knee or falling on their butt, putting their hands back to brace their fall. But every now you get the Roy Jones type who for some reason when their brain gets jostled they sort of go to sleep completely for a few seconds. Not the disposition you want as a boxer, but clearly skills ultimately decide your success in that realm.

You can't have everything. Roy with an atomic chin? Probably retires after his first loss, finally getting outworked by some young guy when he is 48.

 

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It was a terrific shot... Jones recovered well enough, and he won

 

You can definitely see his legs go, like he stood on a greasy floor or something. He had recovered as he was rising and had that "aww shucks" look about him.

 

Well, thats what happens when you get hurt by a pinpoint shot in a boxing match... The point is he got up, cleared the cobwebs, and won the fight... If anything it proves that he was very diminished by the time Tarver got him, when he basically died as a result of any clean power shot

 

Tarver probably did hit harder than DeValle, but I am of the same school in this regard: dropping the weight frazzled his system.

 

I can't think of many fighters with solid chins doing the funky chicken from shots to the jaw like that (as opposed to weird temple shots).

 

Great post as usual sir

 

So AGAIN, U're Basically CREDITING Roy w/Being Perhaps THE BEST DEFENSIVE Fighter EVER, if it Took 15-16 YEARS for his 'Weak Chin' to FINALLY B EXPOSED....

There's Really NO OTHER Logical Recourse, if your Supposition is that Roy's Chin was ALWAYS Shaky, but he Just Wasn't "Hit" Enough....




REED:hammert:

 

Don't know about best defensive fighter ever, but he certainly had brilliant defense/ reflexes & his lvl of opp was for the most part not brilliant, or posessive of great K.O artistry.

It's O.K. Not every fighter can have everything. Ali did not have great power. RJ did not have a great chin. RJJ was still an amazing talent.