Does Anderson Silva's immediate refusal to fight Jon Jones tell us anything?

Well this could be your problem.

BTW, taking a guy like Serra down, is the same as trading with someone with great standup. Serra's BJJ is top notch. It was a great risk for GSP to go down with Serra.

And if those "experts" dont understand that, then i dont know what to tell you or them.

 

Matt Serra has only beaten two people by KO. GSP and Trigg. Before the GSP fight he has never KOed anyone. GSP has been in with better strikers than him. Matt Serra on his back is a beast. Serra is much more dangerous on his back than on his feet. Anyone with an ounce of MMA knowledge knows this.

 

What isnt true? I listed several points.

 

GSP's wrestling at that point in time wasnt talked about the way it is now. It was GSP's striking that was great. In fact, if you watch the first fight, GSP was lighting Serra up with punches and kicks and even dropped Serra with a punch. GSP's chin wasnt an issue in that fight. He got hit right on the temple. Serra landed a harder superman punch on GSP's chin earlier and it did nothing. But you know that getting hit on the temple can fuck anyone up. Serra is 2ND degree blackbelt in BJJ. He is known for his ground game.

 

He has submitted people off his back. Im not sure where you got that from. But that is besides the point. You dont have to have submissions on your back to be good off your back. Have you seen Matt's fights? This guy is VERY good off his back. Have you ever seen his ADCC fights? My goodness, this guy was a beast.

I never said getting Matt on his back was scary, i said it was risk. Its actually Joe Rogan that says getting Matt on the ground is scary (check out the ivan fight) But I digress.

GSP was hit in the temple. Not the wrist. And before that he was beating serra standing, even dropping him.

You are right, MARGINAL fans. Again, i come to my own conclusions due to knowledge of the sport and experience with the art. As you said, you came to the conclusion by what "experts" say.

A suggestion: Watch Matt Serra fights in MMA and ADCC. See how he was. You dont have to be submit people to be dangerous on the ground or on your back. You can inflict damage on the ground. That is Serra's specialty. GSP took a risk taking Serra down. More of a risk than he would have standing. Serra caught GSP with a shot to the temple. When GSP took him down, everyone stood up and noticed. And everyone was amazed at how good he looked. GSP was throwing punches from the top and leaving them out there and Serra couldn't stop it. I was from that point that GSP's wrestling ability started getting some major attention. But hindsight is 20/20.

 

He has before, and you dont need long arms to do it. That is why legs are there. That being said, you dont have submit someone off your back to be good off of your back. The guy is a 2nd degree BJJ blackbelt. He one of the most regarded BJJ guys in the world.

 

The Kelly Dullante fight was a triangle off his back. It doesnt matter what series of attempts he made, he submitted Kelly Dullanty from his back. SIMPLE!!! this debate is over.

 

Never claimed to be an expert. I claimed to have experience. You are the one that said that you came to your conclusion based off of other people's opinions.

Wrong. Watch the Kelly Dullante fight. Im sure you havent seen it or you havent seen it in quite sometime. either way, you will come up with some sort of explanation for why you are wrong, instead of just admitting it.

That is fine, just dont say Serra isnt dangerous off his back, because he is. Even in MMA. You dont have to submit someone to be dangerous off your back. This is what you dont seem to understand. Your thinking is very black and white. Doesnt work like that here.

And most of his win come from damage on the ground. GNP and outworking guys on his back and on top.

Easy to say now since we know how incredible of a wrestler GSP is. Again, Hindsight is 20/20. Nobody was saying that before the fight tho.

Not true. You made that up.

Oh wait so now you can be effective off your back without submitting someone? BJ IMO is overrated and has a hard time even getting in shape.
My whole point is that GSP going to ground against a guy like Serra is much riskier. Serra KOed GSP with a punch to the temple, but prior to that, GSP was landing on him and even dropped him. Serra is unbelievable on the ground. And Its not like GSP or you or anyone knew that taking Serra down would mean Serra stays on his back, which he didnt btw. Knowing what we know about GSP NOW, its smart. But GSP didnt even know his full potential as a wrestler, at this point in his career.

 

actually its you using semantics. The armbar was done from the top, but then went on his back. While on his back it was released and he placed the triangle on. Submitting him from his back. Plain and simple. but again, that whole argument is moot. Not submitting someone from your back, doesnt mean you arent good off your back. This man is a BJJ 2nd degree blackbelt. END OF ARGUMENT.

 

He was not even remotely considered the great wrestler he is now when he fought serra the second time.

And if Serra was known for his big right hand, how come he never knocked anyone out with it prior to GSP?

 

Im not fucking with Z. I have heard stories. Fuck that.

 

He was on his back when he lost the armbar. Stayed on his back when he got the Triangle. That is a sub off his back. This is very easy to comprehend.

You should just accept that you were wrong.

Well make up your mind. Do i not agree he changed his strategy for the Serra fight or do i not agree he changed his fighting mentality following the Serra lost? You are all over the place here. How about asking me instead of guessing what im thinking? You havent tried that one yet. Fuck it. I will just tell you.

You claimed GSP took no chances on his feet after the serra loss because he was scared. I disagree. I think going to the ground against Serra is more dangerous than standing. I think GSP saw how easily he handled Serra on the ground and began to notice something about his game. He noticed that he can beat these guys more effectively with his wrestling, which he has began to develop more and more. GSP took serra down because he wanted to punish him. He wanted to beat the shit out of him for talking so much shit. He new something that NOBODY new or was saying at the time. That he is the best wrestler in MMA. But its always a dangerous risk taking down a 2nd degree blackbelt in BJJ. No matter what size they are.

You can throw all the insults, and emoticons you want out there. its not going to change my opinion.