Ezzard Charles vs RJJ @ 175

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  1. broadwayjoe

    broadwayjoe Undisputed Champion

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    Who wins?
     
  2. Hut*Hut

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    Charles knocks him out at some point.
     
  3. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    A better fighter across the board, with a size advantage, & no style problems in particular spells a Charles success.
     
  4. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    No size advantage, and Jones would most certainly pose style problems.... but in the end I think Charles was smarter, harder and better. Jones would win early rounds, Charles would stalk, read the patterns & settle the argument around the 10th round.
     
  5. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Charles was the bigger man, in truth.

    What of Jones' style specifically do you believe Charles is vulnerable to?
     
  6. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    It's unorthodoxy, range, unpredictability, shear speed. The same things which would give ANY fighter between 160 & 175 incredible problems and difficulties.

    If Charles was bigger the difference is totally insignificant though.
     
  7. cdogg187

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    Charles has a lot of trouble early on, makes the appropriate adjustments and takes command in the second half

    In a 10 rounder, Jones might be able to have enough work in the back to squeak out a decision
     
  8. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I thought you might mention speed. That isnt a stylistic issue. In fact, its not as if timing, the known speed anti-dote, wasnt a Charles specialty. Most things were a Charles specialty, in truth. Still an interesting fight to watch unfold, though.
     
  9. cdogg187

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    There is a difference, a significant difference, between "speed" and the Roy Jones Jr. variety of speed...

    I think you badly undersell Jones here... there's no such thing as an easy time with a prime Roy Jones... There's never been a light heavy who moved that quickly and that strangely

    There are guys who beat Roy Jones all-time (Ezzard, the best of all the light heavies, is one of them) but none of them do it with ease, he was far too gifted and unorthodox for that... and his punch had to be respected
     
  10. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Wouldnt call it easy, just dont think it would be in any real doubt. My suspicion is if Jones fought in the 40s, and Charles in the 90s, no one here would be going out of their way to up-sell Jones' chances.
     
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    Im with Cdogg. Charles wins but he has a very very hard time
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    My suspicion is that had they switched places, Jones would now be the GOAT with no credible challenge and Charles would be a forgotten contender. My suspicion is an irrational one as is yours
     
  13. The Genius

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    My suspicion is that if Jones fought in Charles' day and vice versa that Ramone would be on the other side of this debate.
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    My suspicion is that you are correct
     
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    Very shushpicioush
     
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    Charles was better. Charles would win.

    Jones would be better-served with someone like Conn, or Foster.
     
  17. cdogg187

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    Foster knocks Jones out
     
  18. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I didn't say Jones would beat Foster --- just that if the idea was to pit him against a great LHW, Foster is an easier target than Charles. Hell, borderline anyone would be an easier target than Charles. Jones simply isn't in his class, even though, as I say, the bout would be interesting to see unfold.

    It's a shame SMW isn't a deeper, older division, because that was Jones at his blinding best, IMO.
     
  19. cdogg187

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    jones was indeed a remarkable force at 168
     
  20. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    The best, Sir. The best.
     
  21. Dog Jones

    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I'd like to point out that Charles would be the best fighter Jones will have ever beaten by far
     

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