Final Predictions: Wlad vs Haye

I have to admit that I can see haye ducking under wlad's early jab and landing a solid right on the button that shakes Wlad. This would be interesting to see how both Haye and Wlad react to it.

 

Suppose Wlad circles to Haye's right throwing Hooks in clusters............and with Haye dealing with the Hooks, Wlad throws the right????

Haye's best chance, IMO, is to time the clinches and come up through with something heavy.

The thing is that when Haye fought Ruiz and had him down off a 1-2 and Ruiz plodded forward, Hayes follow up work was terrible. He got docked a point for hitting behind the head, leaped in with punches that didn't land and got dropped with 14 seconds left.

All of this having had Ruiz down and hurt inside of 30 seconds. If the referee had called the knockdown correctly, Haye would have lost the round. :scratcher:

It makes me wonder if Haye has the finesse and composure to finish the job if he get's Wlad hurt......he didn't finish Valuev, he needed two more rounds versus Barrett {during which he got dropped and hurt himself} and he needed 8 more rounds vs Ruiz.

 

Haye is just so sloppy at times, it's hard to watch.

Wlad can win this fight easily.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...t-title-fight-if-he-uses-his-power-early.html

 

As much as I'd like to see wlad stretched I think Haye will get stretched

 

hmm...I'm flip flopping.

I just can't get a certain image out of my head:

Haye wins by KO in 5 rounds.

Hope I'm wrong though.

 

I don't. I hope that's exactly what happens. I am unsure how any sane person can imagine that actually happening, tho.

 

Wlad in 4 rounds is a possibility

 

When I play the fight out in my mind, I see Wlad being nervous and tense and looking to jab and hold. I see Haye being very relaxed and moving in and out constantly and looking to nail a sloppy nervous Wlad with a sneaky very hard right hand. I see him getting it eventually with Wlad so tense that it hurts more than it should and he goes down. When Wlad gets up, Haye would be all over him like a rabid Hyena because he knows this may be his last chance to win and Wlad just covers up, takes leather and the ref stops it semi-prematurely.

 

Haye's already making excuses about the ref.

 

crazier things have happened, i suppose. i remember corrie sanders was 25-1 online in the week leading up to his match with Wlad. Haye is worse than 2-1 at the mo. mind bottling

 

Dwyer, the Gamblers Friend or something, has already compared David Haye to

1. Bill Russell

2. Ghandi

3. Muhammad Ali

His rationale for this was that Haye, much like Ghandi, Bill Russell and Ali, has introduced a new pardadigm. In support of this, he then refers to Jean Pascal as an "ELITE AMBUSH FIGHTER"

:scratcher:

Dwyer, like a lot of fans, is convinced that Wladimir really is a "system" fighter. Does Wlad fight to a system? He does.....but no more than his style dicates, and his style, in turn, is dictated to him by his physical features and dimensions.

Yet...and this is the bit that really gets me....the reason David Haye will beat Wlad Klitschko, we are told, is because of the fight-plan that Adam Booth has formulated for him. Adam Booth, it seems, is now some sort of modern genius.

But hold on a minute........:nono:

If Wlad is a system fighter, and David Haye has a master-plan...then...what's the difference????

:dunno:

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either Haye fights off his own bat, or Booth has a system. It cannot be both. If its a system, then whats the difference? If he fights off his own bat, then that might explain him dominating John Ruiz for the opening minute, then missing with his follow ups, getting docked a point, and then getting dropped himself.

 

Sanders was 25-1 for the same reason that Haye is as close as 2-1. Nobody did their homework. With the benefit of hindsight, and I stress that benefit....Sanders should have been given more credit as a dangerman who had nearly upset Rahman in a very very close even fight, which ended with Sanders covering up and the referee stopped it. Its not like Rahman busted Sanders up or anything. Rahman then went on to stop Lewis in his next fight or so.

Wlad, much like Haye, had put as much time into his hair-style as he had into preparation.

Don't get me wrong....Haye is dangerous, and could win, but its not like Wlad hasn't made serious serious adjustments in the intervening 8 years.

I still think Haye's only real shot at winning is to pull off something spectacular against a guy who comes in the ring draaaaaah or cold or too nervous.

Once/IF Wlad get's off a few decent jabs, establishes his hook, I expect the fight to follow a pretty predictable pattern.

 

I agree, people aren't doing their homework. I certainly don't think they are in regards to Haye. But with Wlad-Sanders, I know you will disagree, but IMO it wasn't a case of underrating Sanders, it was a case of overrating Wladimir going into that fight.

 

Posters Can HOPE This Guy or That Guy Wins, but to Pick EITHER Fighter w/Any Degree of CERTAINTY is Potentially FOOLISH...The FACT is, Wladimir Klitschko has NEVER Faced a Guy like David Haye AND David Haye has NEVER Faced a Guy like Wladimir Klitschko...

2 VULNERABLE Bangers that have NEVER had to Deal w/the Type of STYLE they'll B Faced w/on July 2nd...Sure, Wlad's Faced Smaller, Speedy Heavyweights in his Career...But NEITHER Chris Byrd NOR Eddie Chambers had ANY Punching Power OR Aggression to Speak of...Sure, Haye's Conquered a Significant DISadvantage in Size, Reach & Height, but Valuev is NOWHERE CLOSE to Wlad in Terms of SKILL Level, POWER or ATHLETICISM...

This Fight is Intriguing Because of Haye's Shit Talk, the GENUINE ANIMOSITY Wlad has for him, but Most Importantly Because there's about 1,001 Ways this Fight Can Play Out...REED's Been Watching Footage of Both, 2 Formulate an Official Prediction, but he's STILL On the Fence @ the Moment...



REED:hammert:

 

Could have been both. In fairness, HBO never got it right. They either had the brothers down as complete bums and quitters, or total studs. The truth, as ever, lies somewhere in-between.

As for Haye, the notion that the guy has reinvented the boxing-wheel is such complete bollox. People like Dwyer should be taken out and shot with a ball of their own shit. If Wlad wins, it will be for simple, previously acknowledged reasons. If Haye wins, likewise. There won't be anything new or profound or radical in the game-plan of either man.

 

Sanders had fought less than three rounds in three years going into the Wlad fight.

 

There would be more ways for it to play out if Haye had some legitimate stamina and volume to his game. Whilst it is possible for either man to win, and whilst neither man has faced anything like the other, I think the notion {not expressed by you, but by others} that Haye will win by dint of some profound, radical, tactical approach is as far removed from reality as one get's.

I see it as a tale of two sets of flaws versus two sets of skills, with neither man really having the gas-tank to keep the options open, to the same extent, late into the fight. That said, I regard Wlad as being the most likely by far to end it late.

There are of course certain intangibles- I do believe and I am saying it now so as not to be wise after the fact- that Haye will lead with his head and seek to cause facial damage via the clinches- although there is no need for Wlad to clinch in this fight, apart from dealing with Haye's rushes- rushes which will not materialize if the Wlad-Jab is on-point.

 

And by the end of the fight he had fought less than 5 rounds in 3 years. The trick obviously would have been to jab away the first half of the fight. As I said, somebody didn't do their homework.

 

Klitschko early, Klitschko mid-rounds, Klitschko late, Klitschko UD and Haye early are the only possible outcomes in this one

 

He was an inactive loser.

 

AKA

what steve_dave said.

:bears:

 

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Rahman lost to Maskaev and Tua but beat Lewis. Shit happens. For the Rahman fight, somebody didn't do their homework, as Manny and Lewis did not acclimatize to the altitude and showed up late, arriving only 2 weeks before fight-night.

Manny tried to pass it off that he and Lewis didn't need to acclimatize as the traveled all over the world and were used to it.

I don't know who made the decisions in that camp, but one thing I never liked about Steward were the instructions he gave which more resembled a manager or a promoter than a boxing trainer, viz. about how Wlad needed to look, especially vs Peter {II}, Ibragimov and Chambers. It might be that Steward realizes the need to finish guys in some style, but for me, a trainer gives instructions about fighting- not appearance, style, etc.

 

In a 12 Round Fight, U Give David Haye a 0% Chance of Scoring a 6th Round KO???...



REED:kidcool:

 

His chances must surely diminish with every passing round, taking into account

1. The punishment he will be absorbing.

2. The energy he will have expended avoiding punishment/dealing with punishment.

Haye is a spurt fighter- his fights have dead, flat spots, as guys like Valuev were too slow to press him, and guys like Barret or Ruiz were too shot to press him.

I don't rule anything out, but I do feel that Haye's chances diminish with every passing round after the 4th.

 

The inactive part is what spawned the pre-fight opinions, and rightfully so.

 

Despite the SUSPECT (@ Best) Chin, Haye Seems to Have Pretty GOOD Head Movement from what REED has Seen...Coupled w/his MOBILITY, he Won't B the Easiest of Targets for Wlad to Jab...

Wlad RARELY Throws a LEAD Right Hand, so it Behooves Haye to Circle to Wlad's Right, which Could Effectively NEGATE the Left Jab...



REED:Lok:

 

It also negates Haye's own right, and Haye has a pretty irregular jab. Haye showed a decent leap-in left hook. Against Monte Barret.

 

Nah, I don't think Haye's left packs much oomph