Where does Wlad rank in HW history?

"WHAT IS THIS DEMONRY???!!!! What manner of spirit are you who can move in such serpent-like ways???"

--Actual Quote from James Jeffries after I double-jabbed at him

 

ducking the best challenge available (Vitali) harms his legacy greatly

 

So......at what point did Wlad come into his prime?? Does he have one of the longest primes of all times??:dunno:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/14088010.stm


Haye fails to turn the trick and the questions start getting asked ::

 

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:wack:

 

Save your word games.

Wlad is past his prime and his current competition is not of a standard at which it can be exploited. You know this but abandon reason when discussing Wlad.

 

Thats absurd. Name another instance in history where youd accuse a champion of ducking, when the rival in question has openly stated he'll never fight said champion.

 

I can live with that. :bears:

You think Brock, Undefeated Sam Peter and David Haye were worse than Sanders?

 

What I think is that in general, a 35 year old fighter cannot be in his prime. Anything else I'll leave to you to discuss.

 

Touche.

How can Wlad be said to be ducking him when the other guy said he won't fight him??? ::

All Wlad has to do is say he wants the fight and then we can write Wlad's epitaph:

"Much avoided champion"

:laughing:

 

That's fine.

Physically I think he is slightly past it.

Mentally I think he is right on song.

For instance, 1968 Ali was physically good. But never would have beaten Foreman. The key to beating Foreman was having the balls and maturity and experience to pull it off, and by 1974 Ali had that, despite the fact that by 1974, Ali also had a spare tyre he couldn't sweat off anymore.

Again I ask, whats a prime??

 

pretty much, those guys are about as world-class as Sanders was

 

I take this as an agreement.

 

then you need to work on your reading skills

 

You you just need to fuck off! :finger:

 

Its a perverse mess. Wlad is apparently so bad that everytime he wins, its only because his arms and legs have gotten longer between fights. ::

 

come to Connecticut, Gladys:stir:

 

I just knew it. The delayed reaction. A week later, Haye's loss is finally kicking in.

 

:: :crafty:

 

I can feel it, coming in the air tonight, oh-ohopcorn:

The BBC has a video of the brothers defending the heavyweight division and everything.

It seems more questions are being asked now than before.

 

I'm not sure the Klit could have beaten a big, durable, power punching guy like Razor Ruddock who never was able to obtain a belt when he was fighting.

 

It's not Wlad that is bad. It's the division as a whole. Outside of the Klits, it is rubbish.

This isn't new. It didn't just come up after the Haye fight. Incidentally, virtually no one here gave Haye a chance but you already knew that. Haye is not and never will be a great hw. Wlad took out the trash as he should have, nothing more.

 

Thats fine. :truce:

I'm just curious then as to why this thread didn't start after he basically unified the title post-Chagaev.

 

why don't you PM the guy who started the thread then instead of painting the world?

do the same next time you read an article by an American writer... ask yourself why did THIS ONE GUY say this or think this... instead of reading the fucking article and saying "oh this was written by AMERICA and signed by all of them, rather like the Declaration Of Independence"

 

:say:

A lot of your bredrin, especially in the boxing world, are singing from the same hymn sheet.

I mean, I tried to read some Norman Mailer and you became irate over that too.

 

you mean, writers?

I'm not a boxing writer

how about the people HERE at fightbeat? deal with US as individuals, instead of attaching Kellerman's thoughts to everything we type

you and Kauki paint every American with the same brush... we are all Max Kellerman or Dan Rafel

it's a bunch of bullshit

furthermore, what does Norman Mailer have to do with ANY of this? That was a thread about his famous meltdown on the Cavett show where he, as usual, made a horse's ass of himself... I was giving an opinion on Norman Mailer, specifically Norman Mailer

you are giving an opinion on a whole country based off of Max Kellerman, it's beyond nonsensical

 

I am not doing any such thing. Suffice it to say, let's just agree that I have a problem with the official face of American boxing reporting.

 

thats great, Irish, but that guy ISN'T HERE

Start a thread about bad reporting if you want

Heck, I think I would enjoy such a thread

but why does every discussion about any fighter not born on the western side of the Atlantic have to be turned into a diatribe from yourself and Kauki about reporters? Especially when it quickly degenerates into a lot of veiled wink/wink business between the two of you that comes off as if it is being squarely applied to the guys in the forum and NOT Max Kellerman

 

Yes