Did Richard Steele make the right call in Chavez-Taylor I?

I'll have to rewatch it without the commentary. If Chavez won 6 rounds, then the two point final round would have given him the win.

 

Lou Duva fucked it all up for Taylor i feel

 

RIght call

I'm not retyping the same stuff over again

Anyone who wants to read my view can look in that other Marquez/Pac thread

 

:rock1:

 

36 minute fight, 36 minutes to incapacitate the other guy to the point he cant defend himself. Only if somebody fails to do this do you recourse to letting 3 guys at ringside decide who wins.

Chavez did it. He wins. Again, touch down, goal, swish. He fucked the boy up within the 36m.

Not even controversial to me.

 

Time was running out and Chavez could not win the fight without the ref stepping in.

 

but he DID win

 

Time's always running out, but you get 36m to do the job.:truce:

 

Just rewatched it. I change my mind! :: Taylor was less hurt than I remember and Steele clearly just jumped on the chance to save Chavez' skin.

 

BTW, 12 round championship fights suck so I hard I don't even have words. So many inconclusive, unsatisfactory endings.

 

Yes, but he couldnt win without the referee making the decision to stop the fight. he coudn't win otherwise

 

without the ref, the 36m expires and chavez can't win

 

If this is referring to me - I am not at all saying that the ref was corrupt or anything of that nature.

 

to use a cliche, Taylor was winning the battle but Chavez was winning the war

 

won the war with the ref's help

 

nope, the stoppage was correct

the fighter did not acknowledge the referee

 

and that's what we are debating, was it the correct call or not? poll is split 8-8 right now and its been debated for decades.

the one thing you can't debate that chavez can't win without the ref making that decision. he won the war with the help of the ref... he can't win without the ref making the decision to stop it.

 

Again, at a proper 15 round length there would be no interminable controversy 21 years on. Ditto Hagler-Leonard, De la Hoya-Triidad, etc.

Down with clown rings and 4/5th fights.

 

irrelevant

 

I didn't say it was relevant. It's a discussion board I was discussing what was on my mind.

 

it's a bit of a copout tho don't you think? What's the point in debating any close decisions that happen anymore? We can just bitch about how the fight should have been 15 rounds with a more definitive result.

 

that is irrelevant

the decision was the correct one

Do we say that every time a guy wins a fight when the ref stops it that he won with the help of the ref?

Did Richard Steele swell Taylor's face like a balloon? Were Richard Steele's punches the ones that resulted in Taylor swallowing a pint or so of his own blood? And who was it who knocked him down in the 12th round? Lou Duva? Georgie Benton? Steele? no, it was Chavez who did that

 

no because most times when the ref let's the fight continue the fighter isn't guaranteed to win. taylor was. chavez knocked him down and busted him up, but he couldn't win without the ref deciding to stop it and that is incredibly relevant it's the whole reason this is even debated.

 

If Steele made a career out of consistently stopping fights before the hurt fighter took undo punishment, then I would not have a problem with Chavez-Taylor I.

However this is the same douche bag that let Tommy Hearns continue after getting dropped by Barkley and then getting up in far worse shape than Taylor. The idea that Tommy was able to formulate some response to the "Are you OK?" question is ridiculous.

 

:bears:

CLEARLY

 

You could say the same thing, except in Taylor's case, he can't win unless the ref makes the decision to let it continue AND the judges make the decision to award him the win. So it's a clear 2-1 win for Chavez according to your logic.

 

he was crucified for stopping Tyson/Ruddock I

as I said in the other thread, Steele being a good or bad ref is not relevant, only the decision itself

a good ref SHOULD make that decision

 

Don't quite understand the judges part... they had taylor winning the fight 2-1 which is a split decision so Taylor had the fight won.

It is a good point, Taylor needs the ref to let him continue otherwise he can't win either. The point is that with the red light flashing, the rules in place that you can be saved by the bell in the last round, once Taylor beats the count he has the fight won already, unless the ref takes it away. Chavez can no longer win the fight any other way.

 

Hey, wasn't Tyson fighting under DKP at the time? What a coincidence!

Barkley's promoter for the Hearns fight was not Don King. Hmm.