The Irish or The Italians

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  1. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    Who made a bigger contribution to American boxing history?

    Gene Tunney
    Jack Dempsey
    Billy Conn
    Mickey Walker
    Gerry Cooney
    James J. Corbett
    Nonpareil Dempsey
    Johnny Kilbane
    Tommy Loughran
    James J. Braddock


    vs

    Willie Pep
    Rocky Marciano
    Joey Maxim
    Lou Ambers
    Sammy Angott
    Carmen Basilio
    Tony Canzoneri
    Rocky Graziano
    Jake LaMotta
    Ray Mancini
     
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    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    Related point - obviously The Irish fighters come first and the Italian fighters start coming to prominence 20 years or so later on average. Its a 2nd generation diaspora sport. That seems to fit with blacks really taking over the sport as the Italians started to fade out a couple decades after the great migration of blacks northward in the 20s and 30s (about 10-20 years after all the Italians arrived). And possibly even the emergence of Mexican & Mexican American fighters starting in the 70s and 80s though I don;t really know the history of emigration there.

    Kinda obvious point, but, yeah...
     
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    interesting thread.

    I have to give it to the Irish by a whisker.
     
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    The Irish early, the Italians later... I don't know who you could say made a greater contribution historically

    BUT, and I HATE SAYING THIS SO MUCH as an Irishman SURROUNDED by Guineas where I live, but since boxing in the 1930s and onward was a lot more developed than boxing before that, I would give the edge to the Italians (I just choked down a puke) because more of them were fighting when guys really knew how to fight


    And HUt, how in the hell do you put Gerry Fucking Cooney on there instead of Jimmy McLarnin??? LOL

    Shit, Art Hafey and Jerry Quarry deserve to be there more than Cooney does
     
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  7. loadedgloves

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    Italians

    no Niccolino Locche? Nino Benvenuti?
     
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    Rocky Balboa > "Irish" Micky Ward



    REED:Lok:

    ps. YES, REED Knows Ward Wasn't REALLY Irish..
     
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    What the hell is Ward then if he's not Irish?
     
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    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Irish by a nose, IMO.
     
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    I say Italians clearly.
     
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    Not Sure, but REED Recalls REEDing Somewhere that Ward Only Adopted the "Irish" Nickname for Marketing Purposes, Similar to How Old School Fighters Used to Do...

    Mickey Ward is NOT Irish, if REED's Not Mistaken...



    REED:Lok:
     
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    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    Sure has an Irish surname. Unless that's an adopted name.
     
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    I remember reading Ward was from Polish stock
     
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    Ward is at least half German, I know that
     
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    Call me mad, but I still have the Irish with their noses in front, even if they lose Wards presence :lol:
     
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  19. cdogg187

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    He's Irish/German/English, to my knowledge

    His half brother has the last name Ecklund- German
     
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  20. Slice N Dice

    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    Hey cdogg, I had some Irish stew today
     
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    aye, was it grand?

    you're a foine lad
     
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    Slice N Dice Big stiff idiot

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    Wuz feckin' delicious, i ate it while watchin' a fillum. I prefer it to that pasta shoite so the Oirish have moy vote
     
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    that's feckin grand, fair play to ya
     
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