Is Floyd Mayweather a definitive top 20 P4P all timer?

what?

you really belive that Angel Manfredy was as good a fighter as either of those guys?

I'd love to see someone make that case

 

I meant Monroe...sorry.

 

word.

 

no i think its preposterous. manfredy was garbage.

 

when manfredy fought floyd he was on a tear having stopped gatti and another solid name which is escaping me at the moment. alot of people had that fight even and manfredy was considered a very solid up and comer (at worst)

camacho won every second of the ramirez fight before the whitaker fight. terrence alli outboxed ramirez and was not given the nod. everybody knew going into the whitaker fight it was a done deal. ramirez was not considered a solid world champ. he split with rosario and was dominated by camacho.

basic stick and move was all that was required to defeat ramirez and whitaker showed it (schooling him twice) edwards and chavez showed the opposite (you didnt wanna stand toe to toe with JLR)

i say ramirez and manfredy were equally skilled opponents at most, especially when they faced mayweather and whitaker respectively.

 

irregardless...the rest of the post? i can take jesus chavez off mayweathers resume as well. still does not matter.

FAR superior resume and body of work to sweet pea.

 

honestly, that's just crazy... Manfredy would have lost every round against Whitaker and Camacho as well

here's the difference

Manfredy absolutely, positively dies in the ring against the likes of Chavez, Rosario and Arguello

Ramirez arguably beat Alexis

He competed with Chavez

and if the first fight with Rosario had been a 15 rounder, he would have two KO victories over him... he was very clearly a far better fighter than Manfredy and would have beaten the piss out of him

now do McGirt, please tell me how much you like Manfredy's chances against Simon Brown

 

incorrect word.

 

Yup...

Who are the other four?

 

not unless you:

A) completely overrate Gatti, who lost big to every single good fighter he ever fought and even to some downright lower level guys... I mean, really, Whitaker would have humiliated Gatti-- anyone who says otherwise is nuts

B) Forget that Hatton was not a welterweight and looked positively ordinary there (plus he would have been easily beaten by Whitaker as well)

C) ignore the fact that JMM is not and has never been a Junior Welterweight (again, hard to imagine Whitaker not easily handling him at 140)

D) ignore the fact that it ISN'T REVISIONIST HISTORY to suggest that the Mosley fight was a gimme... since a lot of us here, myself included, called it that from the get-go... the Marg fight was more of a revelation of just how limited Marg was and it may have in fact revealed him to have been a cheater to begin with

E) forget that De La Hoya wasn't "DE LA HOYA" anymore, had lost two of his previous 4, was fighting intermittently at best at an advanced boxing age AND that the fight was pretty close... Whitaker arguably beat the real Oscar De La Hoya over TEN YEARS EARLIER

 

If you truly believe Angel Manfredy was on Buddy Mcgirt's level, thats as frightening as Sly's nuthuggery. I would say Mayweather and Whitaker have similar resumes. I think its a stretch to say either person's is better than the other.

Much in the way Pernell matched up well against the brawlers he embarassed, Floyd matched up great against alot of his biggest name fighters. Undefeated Hatton got a gift over poopoo collazo leading up to the mayweather fight, nobody knowing jack shi'ite about matchups picked him over Floyd.

I personally think Azumah Nelson and JCC are better than JLC and Zab Judah. For comparisons like that Pernell gets the edge for me, but either way suggesting its one-sided is doodoo.

 

again, you are not addressing my post as a whole. if i remove manfredy,chavez, and even both hernandez' floyd's resume is still FAR superior to whitaker's.

and how does anyone positively die against rosario?

fact is ramirez couldnt beat a decent boxer if his life depended on it. slugging it out was the only thing he could do. the fight with whitaker was a formality. he was beaten with the same strategy whitaker employed by camacho right before whitaker. even more clearly.

what did mcgirt ever do? beat simon brown? why not throw saoul mamby and frankie warren in there also. get beat and stopped by meldrick taylor?

AT THE TIME, manfredy was a better opponent than ramirez and i dont think mcgirt was ever good. the best he ever looked was against whitaker (the first fight even though he was injured)

and manfredy i give even money against simon brown. brown was laid out by pettaway. robbed vs starling. and split with norris...am i missing anything? when did he ever look even remotely amazing?

i always thought he was decent...similar to el diablo.

 

what does it matter who pernell supposedly wouldve beaten, look at what actually happened. you can nit-pick anybodies resume.

floyd has never lost. floyd has fought better competition. on what grounds is whitaker better?

 

:boohoo:

 

are you trolling? Is that what this is?

I wasnt sure until this sentence, now I am

 

when you'd start watching the fights? a year ago?

 

god, the forum has been overrun with jackasses

 

Nah...posters are finally being emancipated from the oppressive chains of old timer elitism. Their eyes have been opened and have realized that Bert Sugar, like Jim Crow, has had his day......

 

what the fuck are we supposed to talk about when there are dudes going around saying "I'd make Manfredy even money in a fight with Simon Brown"?

I'm supposed to take that shit seriously? Debate with somebody that retarded?

 

the oppressive chains of objectivity and sense, you mean

seriosuly, you are "word"-ing a guy who actually thinks Angel Manfredy versus SImon Brown is a PICK-EM

 

Go put a hat on your head and place a fat cigar in your mouth!

 

fuck this place

 

honestly, you should be ashamed

 

manfredy vs brown at welter? ::

mayweather jr. simply doesnt have any victory on his resume that comes close to whitaker beating chavez.

 

I disagree with that particular point, but I agree that Floyd's greater than Whitaker.

Azumah Nelson was much smaller and past prime, Chavez was fading...De La Hoya and Trinidad beat him.

We can discect any resume we want to, with minimal effort.

 

:atu:

 

honestly, man, you don't know what you are talking about

 

seriously

it's nuts

 

Whitaker had a tiny defensive edge on Mayweather, but Floyd had a significant offensive edge on Whitaker.

Beating (but not offically) an older ring worn Chavez at Welterweight when Chavez was at best a Jnr Welterweight is no better than Floyd beating a much larger and still close to prime and DANGEROUS De La Hoya at 154lbs. Shiiiiiiit...it's no better than Floyd's achievement in stopping the young undefeated prime Hatton. Chavez is greater than Hatton...but it doesn't make the achievement better.

 

flawless logic, if you ignore essentially everything and make shit up