Is Floyd Mayweather a definitive top 20 P4P all timer?

Curious to see who is the first to chase this bait...

 

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manfredy and brown aren't even in the same weight class genius. how do you debate with somebody so absurdly bias for old time fighters? of course im trolling.

i have always enjoyed your posts, but your bias is laughable...and saying manfredy would die against edwin rosario is also laughable and totally unobjective. manfredy was pretty bad, but rosario was not much better and im sorry if he was in your "golden" era...he still wasn't very good.

pop in his robbery "win" over howard davis jr. or his brutal loss in 3 (4?) rounds to jose luis ramirez and than tell me he is a world beater.

retards who think it is "absurd" to rank mayweather with "legends" like greb don't deserve serious debate.

but yes for the most part i was fucking around (except of course, mayweathers resume is obviously superior to pea's) but as pointed out by neil...mayweather does not have a feather in his cap ala chavez-whitaker (although both were slipping badly at the time)

 

thats what this place has turned into

guys playing characters, guys saying preposterous things that there is no way they really believe, guys trying to BAIT people

its like if U2/Capone multiplied

 

Mayweather is 40-0 (alot of fights in this day and age...Leonard had less) , 5 weight classes with great names on his resume yet people want to deny his Top 20 greatness.

Fuck all a y'all! :kick:

 

manfredy didnt have the chin to beat rosario. ramirez to me seems to get over rated by whitaker fans and fans of the era. mancini whipped him quite easily and it was apparent chavez took it easy on the guy since they were buddies. nonetheless he was tougher and far more durable than that phony manfredy.

 

btw...this thread was dying a slow death while I negected it for over a week. As soon as I return, it's on fire.

Ya'll need me here, admit it. I keep this place alive. :hammert:

 

honestly, if you think this is repesentative of me, you are ignorant and should really fuck off

the rest of your post is more revisionist bullshit

 

no, apparently Rosario was a journeyman who is on the same level as Manfredy

 

for whatever its worth i have a hard time believing people calling hedgemon lewis a serious opponent. its like how can you sit and talk with someone, saying ernie lopez and billy backus were legitimately good fighters, but angel manfredy sucked?

than in the same 5 minutes saying no way you can compare mayweather to napoles. its absurd.

i would love to debate about dempsey, louis, etc. but than i hear about how much guys suck now and how ron lyle wouldve beaten either klitschko. its just ridiculous.

 

hedge lewis was better than manfraudy for sure

 

its like dude, for someone with decent historical knowledge you sure are quite the elitist.

what is revisionist about rosario being overrated and overhyped. mancini was jesus chavez level and he bbqed rosario. what about that is revisionist history?

did davis not get screwed vs. rosario? did rosario not get KOed by ramirez early?

ken norton - marquez comparison (which im assuming was dead serious) is enough to show that your bias is incredible.

 

Cool

Tell your mom I said hello by the way.

 

my mom doesnt like short, snooty bisexual chaps.

 

That's not exactly how she described me last time I saw her...

 

Hedge Lewis and Ernie Lopez were both very good welterweights, and better fighters than Angel Manfredy

one could easily ascertain this by simply WATCHING them

and where did I say you CAN'T compare Mayweather and Napoles?

where did I pick ROn Lyle to beat either Klitschko?

 

Davis did NOT get screwed against Rosario by any stretch

Did Rosario not nearly KO Ramirez first with two knockdowns before being stopped on his feet in one of the best 135 title fights ever?

Mancini never fought Edwin Rosario

 

And don't forget that, according to Sly, Mosley was also conveniently "slightly past prime" at 38 years old and coming off a 15 month layoff.

 

Mancini did not fight Rosario.

Rosario-Davis was a good fight that could have gone either way, but Davis blew it by getting dropped in the last round. Davis did not get "screwed"...only someone with an axe to grind against Rosario would try to convince folks of that.

You're trying to make it sound like Ramirez-Rosario II was a one-sided blowout win for Ramirez...which it wasn't.

I'm amazed at how the average quality of the posts around here has dropped. This forum used to be a great place to have discussions with folks who actually knew stuff about the fights and fighters they discussed...but now the revisionist and agenda-driven posters seem to be seriously in the majority. Ugh.

 

Hedgemon Lewis sucked because he had a funny name

Ernie Lopez sucked because he was pale

consequently, both sucked because it was 1970 or so

flawless

 

Bullshit. The tone around here means the revisionists, boxrec warriors and agenda-based posters now outnumber the folks who actually know about the fighters and fights they are talking about and this forum is taking it on the chin because of that.

Posters like you are more interested in pushing an agenda and distorting ad/or ignoring the facts in your effort to be "right".

 

But that's WAY easier than knowing things....

 

Apparently you don't...since Hagler didn't lose to Briscoe.

And no...you bring up Caveman Lee because one of your tactics to use a ridiculously extreme example which, unfortunately for you, ends up doing nothing for your arguments.

 

my mistake... was confusing him with ramirez (my previous post)

i thought davis outboxed rosario.

rosario was a big hitter and ramirez had head movement like arturo gatti, but yes it was a superb fight. an early knockout is an early knockout isnt it? did naseem hamed KO kevin kelley or does it not count since he was dropped?

i do not think hedgemon lewis or ernie lopez were any better than guys like victoriano sosa. similar level. decent, but not good when it comes to world class.

hard to discuss boxing with someone who claims marquez and ken norton are in the same league.

broadwayjoe is a good poster, unfortunately afaik he rarely posts. the quality of the posts are down because nobody posts. ive seen most of edwin rosario's career. i am a big fan. i dont however think he was great because of the time period he fought.

i would love to actually discuss the nuances of the game especially old time fighters....hard to do when it is either walcott KO 2 klitschko or pacquiao TKO 3 SRR.

 

Never claimed Marquez and Norton were in the same league

Also never claimed Walcott KO2 Klitschko

so, I don't know what to tell you... I guess you should either elarn how to read and differentiate between posters or fuck off

Hedgemon Lewis and Ernie Lopez were world class fighters, outside of Napoles, they were among the 3 or 4 best welters in the world at that time

but you are also one fo those who believes that everybody from 2011 beats everybody from 1991, who in turn beat everybody from 1971, and so on and so forth, so what's the point?

LIke I said in a post a couple of pages ago that you obviously did not read... "Tim Bradley W12 Nicolino Locche" is just dumb, but I would bet everything I have ever owned that it would be your pick at the very least (you would likely go with a KO win)

 

You do understand this is Sly level reasoning right?

 

I disagree here. I have been posting less here because it's pointless to get into extended discussions with people who don't bother to check their facts (or ignore them altogether) and/or are only pushing an agenda. And I'm not saying you do that. I normally like your posts...but I do think you are off base on some of the stuff you have posted in this topic.

I would really like to see more actual boxing discussion and less fanboy posting around here.

 

how so?

 

you think it is dumb? i have seen ALL available locche fights (either as many or more than you) he had less than a 10% KO rate. in a 12 rounder i would favor bradley to outhustle him to a decision.

how is that dumb? do you have any understanding of styles? i do think it would be a joke to favor someone like devon alexander over locche.

nowhere near as dumb as lewis was WORLD CLASS. ridiculous. same with ernie lopez. that is not fair or rational. it just shows how weak the welterweight division was. forgotten guys like stracey were very good and are almost never mentioned.

i dont think martinez beats monzon. i dont think anyone has come along at 122 that wouldve beaten carlos zarate. other than heavyweights i see most of the fighters as in the same class over the last 50 years.

john mugabi wouldve buried k9 bundrage, so on and so forth.

 

you counter his claim about a pick you never made, and follow up by making a claim about a pick he never made.

 

How was Hedgemon Lewis not world class? he was highly skilled, excellent jab, good power and movement... he gave Napoles a terrific argument, he was excellent... I would rate him over Stracey, personally... John H. beat him when he was past it... Stracey was good, though

How does Bradley beat Locche? I can't see him landing anything substantial, I can't see him figuring him out at all... I think he'd have a hell of a time with Locche's jab... what does his KO % have to do with anything? He was a brilliant fighter... it's more telling that he lost 4 times in 130+ bouts and was stopped just once, past prime, by one of the best fighters ever at the weight... a guy he had already clowned when he was still near his best

Bradley is active, but I can't see him penetrating that defense, and I can't see him not getting turned all night and jabbed silly... Bradley just isn't that good of a fighter... you want to talk about weak weight classes? look at the one he's at the top of