Most uncontroversial "controversies" of all time.

How fitting that a thread about uncontroversial controversies begets controversies.

Oh and...

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If you count. Douglas gets up at 13 and a half. Tyson at 14....literally a half second separated the two.

Slow count again, but as another poster pointed out, nothing extraordinary slow. Sly's just mad.

 

:hammert:nice

 

slow-counts are only controversial if it is apparent that the dude wouldn't have beaten a straight 10 count.

If his head is clear, and he is taking an extra three seconds, so what, the guy who put him down is also getting the same break.

In the context of the Tunney and Tyson fights, the long-counts meant jack.

 

agREED. Nothing controversial here for those without an agenda. Tyson was getting his has beaten...managed to knock down Douglas...Douglas got up and regained control and then Tyson continued to get his ass beaten for a few more rounds before being stopped,

 

& Boxing Could've Also Reached the Heights it Did WITHOUT Muhammad Ali @ the Forefront, but the FACT is, Ali WAS There...By that Same Token, Don King WAS THERE Too, Making Shit Happen....

Like it or Not, Don King has Done MORE Big Fights than ANY Other Promoter...You Can't Call him BAD for Boxing w/Out Examining the ENTIRE Picture...



REED:Lok:

 

Not really comparable. Don King facilitated big events, Ali was himself a big event. The big events would have happened with or without Don King and been just as big, Ali as an event doesn't happen without Ali.

 

Sorry, but this is INCORRECT...

Don King's the 1 that PERSONALLY Got Ali & Foreman to SIGN a Contract Promising them $5 Mil Apiece (an ABSURD Amount Back in the 70's)...Don King's Also the 1 that Found a Country to PAY Ali & Foreman $5 Mil Apiece...Don King's Imprint was on EVERY FACET of the Zaire Promotion...King PERSONALLY Met w/Mobutu & Other Dignitaries...He was PERSONALLY Involved w/the Entity that Broadcasted the Fight on Closed Circuit...

w/Out Don King & his TIRELESS Work Ethic, Zaire DOESN'T Happen, Especially After Foreman Got Cut in Sparring & the Fight was Postponed...As CROOKED as Don King is, U HAVE to Give him CREDIT...To Say that "Any Other Promoter Could've Done Likewise" is SILLY when NO OTHER PROMOTER has Done what King has Done...



REED:Lok:

 

If Ali-Foreman Happens in AMERICA, it's NOT as Memorable an Event as it Is Today...The MYSTIQUE of Fighting in Africa Took that Fight to Another Level...Neither Ali NOR Foreman had ANYTHING to Do or Say about WHERE the Fight Took Place...

Sorry, but to Act like Don King was just Some Fly on the Wall as these MEGA Boxing Events Kept Happening Around him, is Silly...



REED:notallthere:

 

Douglas was struggling. That's the point. He only BARELY made the slow count if you watch it again.

Sure he was beating up Tyson and deserved the win, but the refs actions certainly helped Douglas.

 

I don't believe this. I think Douglas was wise and took as much of the count as he could. I haven't watched the clip in in some time but I remember Douglas pounding his fist on the canvas almost in disgust with himself.

That doesn't indicate a person who was out of it to me.

 

This.

Shame on Sly for trying to rewrite history yet again in the favor of a fighter he is a fan of. And I especially liked the post where he claimed Douglas didn't deserve the title because he performed poorly in his first title defense. As if that was remotely relevant to the ass-whipping he put on Tyson to WIN the title.

 

Sly, you're my boy, but HBO proved you wrong the week after the fight on their replay.

 

I was talking about the technology for the satellite transmission and the logistics, not the contracts, negotiations, pay off etc.

 

Buster Douglas could have gotten up at 5 if he wanted. He literally watched the ref's count and rose when he had to.

Back when it happened I was pulling for a Tyson win and remember getting excited when he knocked Douglas down. But when Douglas pounded the canvas at the count of 2 or 3, I knew he was fine.

 

As Buster Lay Propped Up on his Elbow, he was AWARE Enough to Pound the Canvas in FRUSTRATION from Being Knocked Down...From There, he was Fixated on the Ref & SMARTLY Used Every Bit of the Count to his Advantage...

Had the Count Been Quicker, Douglas Would've Gotten up QUICKER, N REED's Opinion...EVERYTIME REED Watches Tyson-Douglas, it STINGS a Little Bit, but the FACT is, Tyson LOST Fair & Square...



REED:mj:

 

Yep^^^

 

I dunno, Zab Judah was aware enough to get up and tell Jay Nady "Don't ever play with matches" before falling down again. Surely being able to do that is greater evidence of supposed "clearheadedness" than pounding the canvas.

:giggle:

 

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Zab's legacy will be to entertain us, long after he is gone from the sport of boxing.

 

Cedric The Entertainer. :bears:

 

I watched this last night and while I can't say the film was edited I can easily see where there's a point where it could have been.

I'm not looking at the clip at the moment but I recall a shot from the point of view looking directly at Ali (camera pointed toward Ali through the ropes) as he sat on his stool. The announcer is animated and says something like Clay doesn't know where he is etc (Ali with crazed look on face)....then there's a cut to a long shot (shot from the back of the arena). There's absolutely no audio (meaning announcer speaking) there's a lull and only crowd noise.

It seems odd a guy (the announcer) that animated suddenly goes silent. If there were a place to cut the film it most definitely would be at that moment.

Again, I'm not saying it was edited but looking at it from the standpoint of film editing (and I've done a bit) that's the first segment that stands out solely due to the announcer going to animated to completely silent for a few seconds.

 

For crying out loud, Musze

watch it closely again

 

Absolutely. Douglas wasn't in any real trouble of not beating the count.

 

Jones-Tarver 1

 

Why did he let the ref reach the count of 9.75 (in other words the ref could have justifiably said "ten" as he got up) before fully rising to his feet. If he was never in any danger of not beating the count, as you say, that was pretty foolish of him to wait that long to rise.

If he had gotten up at or before the count of 9, I would see your point.

 

Because he's a drama queen.

 

Ugh. Really? It doesn't matter by how long he beat the count (or how many hairs you want to split over this). Douglas went down, never looked out of it, wisely took as much time as he could to get back up and went back to kicking Tyson's ass.

It's weak to try to put an asterisk next to Douglas' win just because you are a big Tyson fan. Douglas won the fight fair and square. But then again, I guess I'm not really surprised because this is just what you do around here.

 

I'm KIDDING...geez.

 

I hate you:Wah:

 

It's funny, because the knockdown of Douglas actually represented a relatively short period between the knockdown and the ref waving them back to action.

The referee could have wasted at least 5-10 more seconds by doing a couple of absolutely common things following a knockdown.

1) He could have wiped Buster's gloves off after Douglas got up. He did NOT.
2) He could have asked Douglas a couple of questions (i.e. Can you continue?, Are you OK?)...and then awaited an answer.
3) He could have asked Douglas to take a step toward him to judge his condition.

All of these are completely commonplace following knockdowns and can combine to result in 5-10 additional recovery seconds for a fighter.

The second Douglas was up, the ref said OK and waved the fight to continue. All he did was take a split second look into Buster's eyes before letting it continue. Again, it's actually one of the shorter periods in recent boxing history between knockdown and the fight continuing.



So basically