Vitaly Klitschko 242.9 lbs Tomasz Adamek 216.1 lbs

He wants an upset. He hates Vitali's reign and is threatenned by it's symbolism. Once Adamek fails to deliver that upset, he'll place Adamek in the pile and spit on him aswell,.. now you see,..I would love a little more minute elaboration on what he means by boring,.. it would also be very telling to find out which fighter he feels is entertaining, and what is entertaining exactly?... a High knockout ratio?... a huge workrate?.... .........ahhhhhh?... I think he's deliberately withdrawn on those details as the Irishman highlighted...all we know is that he 'doesn't like it' like many, the root of the 'problem' is never quite uncovered,.. atleast you openned up once and got it out of your system Cdogg.

 

Cdogg things you and I are some sort of contrary rabble-rousers.

 

It's an engineering quality,.. what makes the 'windmills of the mind' turn,.. :crafty: I just want to see the ANGRY FIRE that burns this authors coal is all,..

 

What annoys me is he thinks we are on some racial quest. We are not. Stevie Wonder could see how things work.

 

Oh, I was talking about the author of the script you posted. ^

Cdogg's a good lad socially,.. :crafty: but rather 'conservative' when it comes to boxing.

 

Vitali's style is definitely not for everyone... it's ugly, he pushes punches, he's mechanically dreadful, there is not much excitement in his fights... because his punching technique is piss poor, he doesn't put anything on his shots, which means they are arm punches for the most part... thus, the chance of an exciting KO is unlikely (people like KOs, they always have and they always will) ... There is little to distinguish his jab from his right hand, both are pushed out straight and sort of just "thud" the opponent... you never watch a Vitali fight and say "man, he's going to flatten this guy"... it's probably going to the cards or until the other guy says "to hell with it, I can't reach him and he just keeps thudding me in the face" and quits... It's not an inspring style and for some people it isn;t much fun to watch... I sort of enjoy it at times, because I like seeing a dominant performance... but I'm more of a purist, as well, so sometimes I just don;t care to watch because there's not much going on there, not a lot of artistry just a sort of weirdly effective robot thing

Wlad, who clinches anytime someone is within spitting distance of him and still reacts to aggression like a nervous kitten disgusts me to no end... HE is REALLY BORING to me... Vitali is ugly and can be boring, but sometimes he is sort of fun, a gigantic piss-poor man's Monzon

I like watching a real mechanic... Ezzard Charles, Whitaker, Napoles, Harold Johnson, Joe "Old Bones" Brown, Marlon Starling- cats like that and I like a classic boxer, Ken Buchanan, Hagler, Holmes, Ralph Dupas on a good day... I love an artistic pressure fighter- Olivares, Arguello, Chavez... I like seeing that kind of mastery, it's why I love boxing... Vitali doesn;t fight real pretty like that, so that bores people sometimes... I don;t think thats a personal thing or an assassination of the guy's character, it's just a preference

 

His punching technique is not "Piss-Poor"...this is the sort of flagrant liberty that P's me off no end. He routinely reduces grown men to hospital-cases with busted heads. He hit Danny Williams with a short left hook that burst open his nose and made him look like he was an extra in The Green Mile. Bzzzt. He disfigures guys.

 

it is piss poor

what are you talking about

arm punches all the way

guy can't "close the door" to save his life

he's a 250 pound guy, for fuck's sake... if he throws his arm punch as hard as he can and it lands right, it will bust a nose, has fuck all to do with the fact that the technique is still shite

you are confusing what I said

 

He has reduced agility, thanks to his age and the injuries he has been suffering from routinely since his 20's.
His punching technique is fine- he simply lacks the fluidity to make the most of it.
You don't drop 260lb men with 3" hooks if you don't have some science.

Also...you are straying into a "size" minefield......

 

?

 

Well that 'stiff, solid' stance helps to harden the impact of his punches,.. he has ..or 'would have' (given he's not the right sort) ..much celebrated Big George Foreman 'heavy handed clubbing power' ... legendary, brutish stuff. A 97% KO ratio, fucks up, and I have to repeat.. fucks up any argument that he doesn't punch the way he should or is supposed to.

 

He's been throwing arm shots his whole career, Irish

you would never in a million years instruct someone to punch that way

the technique is AWFUL

Size minefield?? When you are a huge guy like that, you can get away with some shoddy technique because of sheer strength... again, you confuse the issue... and what GOOD 260 pound guys is he dropping? I mean, really, DANNY WILLIAMS:laughing:

it's not about wether or not it works for him, it's the technique being a shitty one, which it very clearly is

 

I have repeatedly said that Foreman's technique as a young man was DREADFUL, whats your point

of course he was knocking the shit out of good fighters

 

Dreadful to the point of being an all-time great heavyweight with a huge KO percentage?.. :tick:

:nono: What you will say to defend the author of that editorial.

 

Like Irish, you seem to be confusing technique with effectiveness

The manner in which George Foreman delivered his punches was crude and inefficient... winging roundhouse shots... it is a HORRIBLE technique

It worked for him for the most part, but it would not work for 99.9999999% of boxers ever

"George Foreman was a brutally powerful puncher" and "George Foreman's technique was HIDEOUS and dangerously inefficient" are NOT Mutually exclusive concepts

Irish went batshit and latched onto my pointing out (100% correctly) that Vitali is an ARM PUNCHER with awful technique by ignoring that I was making NO JUDGEMENT of the EFFECTIVENESS of that technique FOR VITALI

 

An inefficient arm puncher with an incorrect technique who's stopped all bar 2 opponents?.. :tick: ... I guess we'd better throw out the book Cdogg.

 

where did I say Vitali was inefficient?

 

The proposition is so difficult to side with,.. his overall style and technique delivers brutal, bloodthirsty, violent results,... and most americans are bored because they wish to see....

...........Well they wish to see him being violently beaten up instead that's what,.. that's why it's 'boring' ... and that elusive 'root' ...still remains unanswered... me and the Irishman have our theories of why it's so difficult for those concerned to confess what they're hiding,..but know this,.. the 'spirit' of it is ever present,.. and we're always happy to put it in bold where applicable Cdogg.

 

Brutal, bloodthirsty, violent results??? really? over whom? where?

Typically Vitali's opponents make little effort, show little in the way of a willingness to just go for broke, they are a sorry bunch for the most part, and that is NOT Vitali's fault, but it does take excitement out of the equation... the result is Vitali hits them with those weird shots and eventually they are bloody and they quit or the ref stops it... nobody ends up unconscious... mainstream fans like KNOCKOUTS, not Technical KNOCKOUTS... huge difference...

but again, you're missing the whole spirit of what I originally posted with regards to Vitali a few pages ago... his technique is BAD, it would not work at all for 99% of fighters, just like George Foreman's wouldn't... that does not mean it doesn't WORK

Vitali's fights are seldom exciting, and the reason some find him "boring" is because there's no real drama... you know he's going to push that weird jab out there and the chopping right arm shot, the other guy is going to keep eating it and every round will be a replay of the one before it... you know that there most likely won't be too many knockdowns if any, and that there almost certainly will not be a clean knockout of any kind... basically the drama is whether or not the opponent will quit and when... it's as predictable as a romantic comedy... and that bores people

Hell, you can be technically fucking PRISTINE and still have trouble catching on... Pernell Whitaker was hardly the most popular fighter on Earth in his prime... same reason- people found it BORING because he won practically every round and almost always it was a decision

 

Cdogg, you bring up an excellent point .. for all the ranting Irish & co do about Vitali stopping guys, how many times has Vitali actually KNOCKED A GUY OUT in the past 10 years? Zero, because his punching technique is shit.

 

No. He just sends them to hospitals instead with broken this and broken that and broken the other.

Routine.

As in Routine Surgery.

 

Danny Williams had been hit by every text-book shot by Mike Tyson and barely did the wobble.

Sure, it was an old Mike.....but the punch is the LAST thing to go...and Mike was unloading perfect combos, hurting Danny, but never putting him down.

And then Vitali lands a 3" hook, single short rights, 1-2's and has this guy all over the place? Blind in one eye, broken nose, floored.....

....you forget....technique is a subjective affair.

It's what works for the individual.....punching technique is as much about distance, timing, correct punch selection. He might not be putting all his mustard on his shots. Doesn't mean he has shit technique. Might mean he has poor stamina, or poor trust in his injuries holding up.....

I thought it was funny when people said he Briggs fight was proof that Vitali didn't have concussive power. He hit the steroid beast for 12 rounds, they said. And where was Briggs? In hospital. With a concussion. :laughing:

 

Irish, Vitali is an arm puncher... I never said it didn't work, but it is a shit technique and many find it ugly to watch as a result... which was the original point being made a milliion years ago in the post I wrote

and, for crying out loud, using the Tyson fight with THAT Tyson is comical

 

A shit technique is a technique that does not work.

 

Wrong... a shit technique is a technique that would get 99% of people who did it beaten up

Ali's technique was BAD... you shouldn't fight that way if you want to stay conscious... it worked for HIM because of his particular physical gifts, just as Vitali's works for him because he found a great way to make use of his height (hence the reference to Monzon in my original post) as his primary defensive tool and the combination of that and his long arms as his primary offensive tool... make no mistake, if Vitali could transfer weight, foot to foot and punch correctly, he would hit MUCH HARDER than he does... but he'd be sacrificing his defensive model that way, so the trade off for him makes sense... use the height, throw the arm shots, eventually the other guy is going to be worn out... Vitali's style is one that works for VITALI, but it is not a good technique for anyone else, unless they too are 6'7

Same with Foreman... it worked for him because his power was extraordinary, even when arm punching... that doesn't mean it's a GOOD technique... almost everything Roy Jones or Naseem Hamed did falls into this category as well... it works for a tiny minority of fighters with certain unusual physical gifts (LENGTH in Vitali's case, BODY SPEED in Jones and Hamed's cases, amazing physical strength in Foreman's, and Length again in Monzon's case) but technique and effectiveness are NOT THE SAME THING

It wasn't even really a criticism of Vitali, as much as it was an explanation of part of the reason some purists don't really enjoy watching him all that much... but, naturally, you take it as an attack on the guy

 

I took it as an attack on his technique. ::

 

His technique SUCKS

Anyone else doing that is getting killed

 

:dunno:

Thats the point though.

He isn't "anyone else"

You fight to your strengths. Not your weaknesses. If that makes you look cumbersome...so be it.

Anyways fuck it let's just watch the fight tonight and see what happens.

 

vitali klitschko

 

you wanted to know why some find him unpleasant to watch and I told you

He'll win tonight