UFC 134 from Brazil 8/27/11

His knees were 100% healthy for the Jones fight and he still looked like crap.

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That's the fight Lorenzo wants for whatever reason. Particularly on the FOX show.

As for that scenario, sure if Anderson beats Sonnen and then GSP and hasn't retired, there is nothing there left for him. Chris Weidman eventually is going to capture that belt, but I don't think a bout between the two in in the cards for a long time.

So yeah, then would be a good time for Anderson to get whooped by Jones, provided Jones has beaten Rampage, Rashad and Machida which is not a given.

Sure. I'm sure he was whatever 100% is for a guy with two reconstructive knee surgeries....and less than a year off of rehabilitation.

 

I don't get the Silva-Henderson II rematch need either. I don't see Henderson dropping back to 185 UNLESS it comes with a Silva rematch.

For me, I'd rather Henderson just serve out his time at 205. I'd rather see him in with Jones at 205 than Silva at 185 IF a UFC-Strikeforce fight is absolutely necessary at all. At his age, Hendo is just better at 205.

 

Not that it matters. The flying knee Jones landed early in the fight really ended it. If Rua had 18 year old knees, he still loses.

That being said, with the amount of time Rua had to rehab after each of his surgeries, you'd figure they would only be a minor issues regardless.

For some reason Rua fans think his knees take longer to recovery than other athletes that have gone through the same thing. A year rehab from ACL reconstruction is more than enough time barring any issue which he didn't have.

But this is all rehashing an old subject. I think I already listed a litany of other athletes back to playing within 6-8 months of ACL reconstruction.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good excuse.

 

Correct REED if he's Wrong, but Don't NFL Running Backs Typically Make FULL Recoveries from the Same Surgery that's Supposedly Contributing to All of Shogun's Losses???....



REED:mj:

 

No?

I think the guys he's talking about with these miracle recoveries are quarterbacks who rushed back and played semi-injured. Why? Because they are quarterbacks, the league doesn't allow them to be hit, and guys like Manning and Brady barely ever move.

 

Well, as someone who has had ACL reconstruction on both knees, I've really paid attention to how quickly or slowly pro athletes make it back from this type of surgery. I've also paid very close attention to how the rehab protocols have changed over the years. So just for the sake of information, here are some fairly polarized examples:

1) Carson Palmer----Surgery Jan 10, 2006---Playing again in August.... 7-8 months
2) Donovan McNabb----Surgery in November 2006 and played 1st preseason game in August---less than 9 months
3)Wes Welker----Surgery in Dec and participated in full contact practices in July----less than 7 months
4)Tom Brady---Surgery in Oct and played pre season opener exactly 10 months later (And Brady had secondary infection that slowed rehab)
5)Ronnie Brown----Surgery in November and returned to full contact practice in July (and the Pro Bowl that season) 8 months
6)Philip Rivers----Surgery in Feb and played pre season opener less than 7 months later

My favorites though are Robert Smith the former running back with the Vikings who had 4 straight 1000 yard seasons after ACL reconstruct in 1996 including the NFC in rushing once and Terry Allen who had BOTH knees reconstructed early in his career and ended up rushing for better than 8000 yards primarily with the Redskins.

Both guys were back on the field in under 10 months and that was more than a decade ago which is like a century in knee surgery advancements.

I could go on and on. It's amazing the progress that's been made. Orthopedic Surgeons now peg the recovery time for NFL player with ACL reconstruction at 6-9 months. Obviously there are guys that take longer and there are guys that hit the field again in 5 months.

And using rehab as an excuse for poor cardio is absolute BULLSHIT. 90% of ACL rehab involves things like swimming, biking and treadmill walking. Personally I don't think my cardio was EVER better than when I was in rehab for knee surgery. I biked like a freaking maniac. I literally put in over 200 miles a week trying to get better.

Having better than a year post surgery is more than enough time to be ready for Mark Freaking Coleman.

I buy the excuse for the Griffin fight because I actually think Rua had already ruptured his ACL BEFORE the fight. But it's a poor excuse for his cardio with Coleman. And played absolute no factor against Jones.

 

Miracles??? Nope.. 6-9 months is common place for athletes not named Rua looking for excuses.

Hell, Terrell Owens is 37 and had surgery in April. He said he could be ready by week 2 or 3.

Do the math, that's less than 6 months and the dude is 37..

 

Quarterbacks. As already stated. Ronnie Brown lost his job and was effectively shot after his knee blew out. Welker while not shot, is a shell of his former self. He had a pretty crap year last year because he played hurt. Now what Robert Smith did is pretty irrelevant considering he's not Shogun....or even not the countless of other athletes who have been ineffective since blowing out their knees. Plus there's the whole blowing out his knee twice thing. not just once.

And none of those things will prepare you for intense grappling.

 

Ummmm, Ronnie Brown never LOST his job. It was his the minute he came back from injury and it was his until he left via free agency. And let's be clear, Brown went to the Pro Bowl for the only time in his career the year immediately after his miraculous 8 month rehab....

And Wes Welker's production went down as much from NE losing Moss as anything else. Playing opposite Deion Branch ain't quite the same as playing with Randy Moss. And the dude still caught 86 passes in 15 games and was the leading receiver on the team.

And no, Rua never 'Blew Out' the same knee twice meaning ruptured ligament.

Again, this is ridiculous. Knee injuries like Rua's obviously take their toll and his knees will NEVER be as good as before. But the knee injury is a piss poor excuse for gassing against Mark Coleman with a year to rehab. PERIOD.

 

He didn't even rush for 1000 yards..Brown had a crap year and got on by complete fluke. And no, even with Moss he wasn't very good. Welker was crap compared to his all pro year before. Stop kidding yourself.


And Shogun was clearly undertrained.

 

This is an excellent post. If GSP beats Diaz there is nobody else for him to fight at 170. Silva has beaten everybody at 185. Nobody is going to pay to see Anderson or GSP fight guys who they have already dominated, especially with GSP.

Silva vs GSP is the biggest most important fight in MMA history, no reason why it shouldn't happen.

 

This is where playing fantasy football doesn't really qualify you to be in football discussions with the adults. The year Brown returned from his knee reconstruction was the same year the Dolphins busted out the wildcat offense. Brown ran it to perfection and had a great season. He didn't have 1000 yards because he shared the backfield with Ricky Williams. But anyone that actually WATCHES football would tell that Brown was spectacular. He also caught 33 passes which was close to a career high.

As I said, few people are ever AS GOOD as before knee reconstruction but Brown was damn close.

And Welker too. Again, you'd actually have to WATCH games in order to know this. But Welker was still a 3rd down animal, impossible to cover on slant routes and a very solid #2 receiver.

Again, is he as good as pre-injury? NO, but is the knee injury the difference between looking great and looking so bad that Mark Coleman fights on even terms with you? No. That's a pathetic excuse. Rua today is a shell of his former self. He's almost shot. And the knee injuries are a minor part of it. Poor training is a bigger part.

Look at him. He was completely healthy going into this past Saturday night and looked flabby with gut hanging over his shorts. Is that still the knee? Hell no.

But at the end of the day, Jon Jones is just a better athlete, a better fighter and better trained. Knees or no knees.

 

Henderson isn't going to fight at 185 if he comes back to the UFC. What sense would that make? He lost to Jake Shields at 185, he's shit at 185. He's the SF 205 champ, he would come back to the UFC as a LHW not a MW.

Other than that, I got nothing to say about the usual stupid arguements going on in here.

 

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If there is one sport I follow more than MMA and Boxing it is the NFL. I'm a crazed fan. I have Serius radio just so I can listen NFL talk all day long. I have never heard anyone ever say Welker is a shell of the player he used to be. Welker is a badass. I think his performance yesterday somewhat proves this. Beastly, straight crazy.

 

He played hurt all of last year and sucked. This year he's healthy and playing damn well. Pats really have a crazy scheme going on there.

 

they definitely do, now if their defense could actually make a stop, they might do something this year.

 

Well, then you obviously don't listen to our resident contrarian that never met a statement he didn't want to contradict.

16 catches & 217 yards in one game. Yep, a shell I tell you........::::

 

Fo sho, just thinking, didn't your Dolphins cut Mr. Welker?:laughing:

 

Well, I'm glad you asked because I haven't properly vented about the sham that is the Dolphins' front office at all today.

The Fins actually traded Welker to New England for a 2nd and 7th Round Draft pick in the 2007 draft. What future Hall of Famers did the Fins nab with those picks you ask?

2nd---Center Samson Satele who was traded to the Raider in 2009 for a 6th round draft pick in the 2009 draft which ended up being OG Andrew Gardner who was cut less than a year after being drafted.

7th---Defensive End Abraham Wright who never played a down in the NFL and now plays in the CFL.

So, yeah, it worked out fantastically for the fucking Dolphins.

I wish we still had the archives around here because I moaned about trading Welker, and I can remember TFK saying Satele was going to be a beast and Welker wouldn't be missed.

:Steve-Dave/MMA::Steve-Dave/MMA:

 

I feel your pain, Trp, I'm a Seahawk fan, so I have absolutely know room to be over here talkin shit. We let Matt Hasselback walk and then go pick up Tavaris Fucking Jackson.:kick: