2012 Boxing HOF...

Why is Dariusz Michalczewski on the ballet for this?

 

No idea, but what's the entire list?

 

No idea, there just this article on ESPN

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/i...es-2012-ballot-international-boxing-hall-fame

 

I don't think very highly of him, but you could realistically elminate half of the guys there already

 

he was a dominant champion at light heavy and one of the better fighters of the 90s. i'm sure he'd be held in higher regards if roy jones wasn't around. plus, everyone got mad at roy for not fighting this guy.

his beating of hill was as thorough as it gets.

 

Puhlease. There are literally a hundred more deserving fighters, many of whom have been waiting decades...but what else is new with the Hall.

 

DM should not be in there but neither should a tonne of other dudes. Ironically, with the beast that HBO have created, it is worth pointing out that DM at one point could have been strutting around undefeated, yo, linear, yo, etc, yo, and therefore, clearly, a pfp legend. Yo.

 

When does Calzaghe get in?

 

I'm gonna suicide bomb Canastota

 

one day, Arturo friggin' Gatti will get into that fucking place... at that point, you simply blow it up

 

Who cares? He's on the ballot, not actually in the HOF. Sven Ottke is on the ballot as well, which I personally find to be the greater outrage. DM isn't a HOF fighter, but has more alphabet defenses than any other LHW ever and his win over Virgil Hill trumps anything Ottke ever accomplished.

Anyway, neither are getting voted in any time soon, so I don't get the concern over his being on it. He's a record-breaking titlist who is eligible for voting consideration. That's the long and short of it.

 

Guaranteed, first ballot entry. Mark my words.

MTF

 

The hall of fame has roughly 60 fighters who shouldn't be there... basically, if you held a title or you were popular, you will get in... there are also loads of non-participants who were essentially crooks who are in and don't deserve to be - Jose Suliaman, for example

I think it's more useful as a museum and gathering place than as an institute measuring greatness... that said, compared to the World Boxing Hall Of Fame, it's unbelievably awesome

 

Yeah, he's eligible next year. Diego Corrales is as well. And as long as his blood type reads OBese-Positive, Fernando Vargas will have not fought in five years by that point.

I wouldn't necessarily vote in Vargas or Corrales, but would vote both over Gatti. Quite a few in the media don't share the same viewpoint, and especially with his brutal death, my hunch is that he gets a lot of votes next year.

The thing is, if he doesn't get voted in on the first try, he actually might never go in. The class that will be eligilbe the year after includes DLH, Trinidad and Calzaghe. Riddick Bowe as well, though I'd be shocked if he made it in.

That also doesn't include the guys already on the ballot. Hearns is the only shoe-in among first time nominees this year. Curious to see how many vote for Mark Johnson - I'm voting yes, but not sure he makes it in on the first try.

 

He's eligible for next year's ballot. Five years after the day you retired, then eligible on the following ballot.

 

BWAA members get to vote for participants, but not for non-participants. In that category, Freddie Roach and Al Bernstein are both on the ballot for the first time.

 

Obviously as he is clearly a great fighter, and if Bernard gets in then he should get in line behind Joe

 

It's ridiculous, Jake, a fighter like Johnson is about 50 shades greater than Gatti ever was... if it were really about greatness as a fighter, there'd be no room for a Gatti in there... The problem is the insistence that a certain number of guys get in each year, especially in the instance of old-timers where you have a finite number of people that you could possibly vote in, yet they still insist on putting several guys in year after year... eventually, you will have EDDIE Zivic in the hall of fame, preposterous... The standard ought to be higher across the board than that... Why is Billy Graham a hall of famer, for example? Because he may have gotten robbed in one of his fights with Kid Gavilan? He was a good contender in a good era, but it ought to take more than that... Is Graham any better than Bennie Briscoe or Ralph Dupas, or Freddie Little or 100 other outstanding contenders, brief beltholders that have no chance in hell of ever getting in?
Rocky Graziano had one win over a good middleweight... the rest of his career is KOs of welterweights who were smaller than him, but he's in there because of a memorable trilogy and because he was personable... but you could make the argument that he wasn't even one of the 40 best fighters of the 1940s... I just think it tends to become a popularity contest rather than an honest assessment of fighters... Barry McGuigan was a good fighter, but he shouldn't be inducted into an institution that claims to honor the greatest fighters of all time

 

Its a goddamn SHAME Donald Curry isnt there!

You mean to tell me that Brian fuckin Mitchell was better, and accomplished more than Donald Curry?

Its a crime!

 

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The two aren't even comparable in terms of greatness.

 

How is it an outrage?

At whose expense is he included?

They are going to vote Gatti in soon, because he's dead, had no defence and they made a lot of money out of him.

You don't get into the HoF by fighting HoF'rs and losing to them. Not just losing to them, but losing brutally to them.

Ottke and DM having their names there constitutes no outrage unless some better fighters have been consciously excluded to accommodate them in consideration for eligibility.

Ottke deserves to be up there for consideration. Styles don't mean shit. Entertainment doesn't mean shit. Who did Mickey Duff ever entertain???

Sven Ottke beat guys like Mike Moorer, Chris Byrd, JC Gomez, Antonio Tarver in the amateurs and never lost as a professional fighter, beating Charles Brewer after Brewer had knocked out the talented but flawed Herol Graham. He beat Glen Johnson with less effort than Carl Froch

It isn't the candidature of Erik Jabukoswski that people are being asked to consider.

 

Hopkins is a Great Cunt.

Fuck Hopkins.

 

I'm glad you've finally seen the light and become a Calzaghe believer

 

I see Hopkins is wearing glasses now.

Maybe he has trouble seeing.

Like his fans.

 

I meant that if there was reason to bitch about a fighter being on the ballot, I'd complain about Ottke before Michalczewski.

I personally don't have an issue with either being on there. Neither one will get my vote, but they are more deserving than several others currently on the list.

 

You would vote for Terry Norris before both of them yes? :warning:

(for the rest of you yes i know Terry is in the Hall already and Jake did not vote for him when eligible)

 

Complete list, including hyperlinks to Boxrec ledger.

Georgie Abrams
Horacio Accavallo
Joey Archer
Jose Becerra
Johnny Bratton
Jimmy Caruthers
Donald Curry
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Tommy Farr
Tiger Jack Fox
Ceferino Garcia
Betulio Gonzalez
Yoko Gushiken
Naseem Hamed
Thomas Hearns
Carlos Hernandez (not "Famoso" from 2000's; Venezuelan middleweight from '50s)
Rafael Herrera
Al Hostak
Harry Jeffra
Mark Johnson
Peter Kane
Cocoa Kid
Pone Kingpetch
Santos Laciar
Tippy Larkin
Jose Legra
Miguel "Happy" Lora
Raul Macias
Ernesto Marcal
Dariusz Michalczewski
Freddie Mills
Rinty Monaghan
Masao Ohba
Sven Ottke
Ken Overlin
Gustave Roth
Lou Salica
Dave Sands
Petey Scalzo
Sammy Serrano
Yoshio Shirai
Kid Tunero
Wilfredo Vazquez Sr
Myung-Woo Yuh
Hilario Zapata

 

Correct. If he was on the ballot this year, I'd vote for him.

 

You are a great person Jake Donovan. :bears:

 

I've only heard/read about 16 fighters on that list. Of those the only guys i've actually seen entire fights of are all what's considered the modern category.