If you stand in front of him, you're going to sleep..

Benn

 

48 fights 35 KOs

 

This right here. Naz and the Hawk were lethal punchers no doubt, but McCullough stood in front of Naz and McClellan and McCallum did the same with Jackson (is there something about Micks?)

The only guys who went the distance with a young Tyson (iirc Tillis, Green, and Bonecrusher aka Boneclutcher) were all tall guys who spent the entire fight hanging on for dear life.

edit: should be noted that it's theorized that McClellan's brain injury was actually initially caused during his fight with JJ.

 

Nothing to do with micks, everything to do with Naz being one of the most overrated punchers in boxing history. This guys name always piles up on best punchers lists but here's the rub, who did he ever KO that actually had a chin? McCullough took his best, MAB took his best and he hit Robinson with everything but the kitchen sink and couldn't even drop the guy.

He even had a slug fest with Kelly and even though he got the KO it looked more like Kelly just quit rather than Naz actually stopped him. Naz was known as a guy who wouldn't fight top comp so if that is the case (which it was) how can he be judged for having great power? Anyone can KO a tomato can.

Yes he was a good puncher but deserves to be in the discussion for all time greats? That is just fucking ridiculous.

 

McCullough has an all time great chin.

McCallum and McCullough are Scottish names.


McClellan {also Scottish} had his brain injured by Benn. I am nearly sure I saw Benn hit him repeatedly.

 

You guys have CONFUSED the issue of POWER on one hand and getting knocked out by standing in front of somebody, on the other hand.

If you stood in front of Hamed, you took a trip to the mat. That's usually how it went.

Let's not fuck about here. Kevin Kelley effectively got knocked out by Hamed. Kelley barely made it up on the 4th go around. Augie Sanchez nearly died. Bungu was put down like a stray dog. Out cold. Tom Johnson was basically out cold, looked like he had been shot as he tried to get back to his feet. Medina escaped because he was pulled out- and Hamed was sick that night. Barrera kept moving and pulled off a brilliant fight plan. Paul Ingle stopped for one split second in the 11th round of a fight and a tired, bloodied Hamed, just long enough to get knocked out.

As I say, we aren't talking power, just how it was deployed. Stopping in front of Hamed, or charging right in on him, was the worst way to fight him, so bad in fact that Barrera had to devise a perfect strategy based around counters, moving, jabbing etc.

 

Very true. Barrera was a guy known as a brawler back then as well, people thought he was going to go to war with Hamed. But he was too smart for that.

 

Robinson got dropped twice by Hamed

 

It took 15 replies for someone to say Julian Jackson.:notallthere:

 

McCallum got hurt and covered up when he stood in front of Jackson. It was only when he started making Jackson miss that he took advantage.

 

Prior to that fight, McClellan fought Jackson twice. He reported having headaches after the first fight, leading all the way up to the fight with Benn.

 

Julian Jackson loaded his gloves with antique cromwellian cannon balls, wrapped with excessive gauze.

 

At this moment one guy to fit this description is Robert Helenius. He can't move for shit but hits damn hard and takes a good punch. Thus he KOs people who stand and trade with him

 

I get a little more impressed with Helenius every time I see him. Very good relaxed, natural puncher. Doesn't panic when somebody punches back. I just wish he would hit the gym and give me something to look at, know what I mean?

 

That's because he was relatively chinny. McCallum took him out early for example. McClellan stood in front of him and KHTFO twice. It's not just about power it's also about if the fighter can take the incoming or avoid it and then nail you.

For example...hearns had ridiculous power, but the way to beat him was by "standing in front of him"..in other words, be agressive and take the fight to him. It was risky, but it was the best tactic since he was himself vulnerable.

Must D&D be the only one to share wisdom on these matters?

 

Hamed is a good choice because in addition to his ridiculous power he had a decent chin and in his prime was very elusive.

 

Holyfield and McCall too.

 

It's not that Hearns was particularly vulnerable to attack, it's that you weren't going to outbox him and your only chance was to do the other thing. And how many guys really had any success doing that with Hearns? Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler, two of the greatest fighters of all time, and Iran Barkley by a lucky haymaker.

I'm noticing a tendency to underrate Hearns' chin and durability on this forums these days.. we're not talking about Terry Norris here, for pete's sake

 

Joe Louis

Still his chin was a little vulnerable but his power and accuracy made it suicide to stand in front of him.

Trinidad was similar.

 

I thought that too. For example Tyson doesn't IMO fit this thread, since the best way to beat him was to force him back (Holyfield manner). If you ran against him, he would catch you.

Hamed is an excellent example. He was in trouble when the other guy boxed

 

I don't recall hearns taking punches from big bangers, do you? It was only Ray Leonard and Hagler in his prime because they were the only ones who could survive the incoming long enough to reach his chin...not because he had a great chin. He didn't.

 

I.E. Idiot Margarito....

 

Tyson was a shell of himself by the time he fought Holyfield. Not to mention that Holyfield has an all-time chin and will. Who else pulled off that feat? Douglas did it using a jab and movement.

 

Barrera had progressed a lot from his Kennedy McKinney days, thanks to being blasted by Junior Jones, but he took it to a new level for the Hamed fight. Barrera actually fought cagey almost in comparison to how he had fought and how he would gone on to fight vs Morales. He saw fit to stand in front of Morales, but not Hamed.

 

Helenius is also a guy not to stand in front of. You can stand in front of Vitali and just get bashed, slowly, but Helenius, if he can beat you, will KO you, if you stand in front of him. His left uppercut and hook are sick.

 

I don't think Tyson was that much of a shell at that point, not as much as his fans like to believe. Douglas beat Tyson different way, but Holyfield showed the recipe to beat Tyson. Also late in his career, when he was indeed past it, he got beaten by guys who forced him back

 

Mayorga stood right in-front of Trinidad for 8 rounds... :scratcher:

 

George Foreman

76 wins, 68 KO's - KO % .8948%



Julian Jackson

55 wins, 49 KO's - KO % .8909%



Naseem Hamed

36 wins, 31 KO's - KO % .86%



Felix Trinidad

42 wins, 35 KO's - KO % .83%



Bob Foster

56 wins, 46 KO's - KO % .82%




By a hair, the correct answer is George Foreman


Note: Archie Moore won 185 fights and KO'd 131 guys...KO % .71. His percentage isn't as high as the other guys but he KO'd almost twice as many guys as Foreman.

 

and went to sleep

 

Ali beat Foreman by standing in front of him. In fact, it was the epitome of standing in front of a guy.