Julio Cesar Chavez vs Jose Luis Castillo at 135lbs

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  1. Destruction and Mayhem

    Destruction and Mayhem PHASE ----3

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    Castillo was his sparring partner...so the tendency for boxing fans from that would be that Chavez handles him with ease.

    Nuh uh uh! :eek:hno:


    It doesn't work that way my friends. No version of Ali would have had an easy time with Holmes...for example.

    Castillo is bigger than Chavez, taller, and has a solid chin. Power is equal...although Chavez is more accurate, more versatile, mrore consistent and the better fighter.

    Chavez wins....but it's a distance fight and no wider than 8-4.
     
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    Chavez would beat the shit outta Castillo.
     
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    Dog Jones WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Castillo really doesn't do anything much better than Chavez, so I guess Chavez wins it
     
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    Chavez wins it very comfortably... he's a different level of fighter, far more skillful, far more talented
     
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    puerto rock WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Chavez via late stoppage.

    Would be an excellent fight. The first 5-6 rounds are pretty competitive but Chavez's superior skill and talent are the big difference. He'd wear Castillo down and beat him up badly down the stretch.

    Chavez TKO 11
     
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    We all know Sly's agenda here anyway.
     
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  8. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    Skill beats size on this day.
     
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    What??? Sly has an agenda??
     
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    I guess my agenda is to make Castillo look better than he is in order to give more credit to Floyd. Is that right?
     
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    Chavez didn't beat Rocky Lockridge or Juan LaPorte "very comfortably," and JLC is considerably bigger and stronger than Chavez. For a guy who relied heavily on his ability to overpower opponents, that wouldn't bode well for JCC.

    I would be curious how a former super feather who only knows how to go forward and wasn't worth a damn above 140, is going to beat a 150 lb Castillo. Chavez might be able to pull it off, but certainly not easily.
     
  12. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    By doing virtually EVERYTHING better?

    I dont call it easy, mind, but the second-half of this fight is nearly all Chavez.
     
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    The gulf in class isn't so great that it would overcome the gulf in size as a certainty, imo. People tend to forget that Castillo improved greatly after moving up to 135.

    And Chavez wasn't a Corrales level puncher, he wouldn't be able to hurt or discourage JLC (hell, Corrales didn't discourage JLC).
     
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    what is your scorecard for the Lockridge fight especially?

    seriously, that is an 8-4 fight

    furthermore, you talk of Chavez not being worth a damn unless he was going forward, yet you reference that fight, where he basically boxed off the backfoot for most of it and walked Lockridge (who was, last I checked, a really good fighter) into shots time and again

    I also disagree with the notion that Chavez's success was predicated on the ability to overpower opponents... I think it had more to do with his ability to constantly land clean, sharp punches... he was absurdly accurate
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    The gulf in class is more than required to facilitate and 8-4, 7-3-1 type decision.

    There is hardly a single thing Castillo does better. Seriously, tell me everything he does better than Chavez --- I'll wait. He has a big size advantage and a decent style match-up, and thats enough to keep it competitive for six or seven rounds...not twelve.
     
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    8-4 is what I said in the OP. Chavez is more accurate and overall better, Castillo is bigger, stronger, taller and possibly even has the better chin.
     
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    you're kidding, right?
     
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    P4P both have solid chins. Castillo is the bigger man. Why would I be kidding. Just because Chavez is the greater fighter doesn't mean that he's greater in every single category.
     
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    Castllo was knocked out several times in his career and hurt on plenty of occassions

    Chavez didn't hit the floor until his 90th fight and was nearly impossible to hurt

    Castillo had a very good chin, Chavez had one of the best in history
     
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    Fair enough. I could concede that Chavez' chin is a little stronger. Chins wont be a factor here anyway...Chavez doesn't punchhard enough to hurt Castillo with head punches and both could hurt the other with bodypunches.
     
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    He punched CLEAN, though and I think he'd land A LOT on Castillo... 2-1 type of thing
     
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    2-1 in percentage landed, but not in punches landed, IMO.
     
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    he'd outland him by at least 75-100 punches... I'd bet my car on it
     
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    8-4 Chavez.
     
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