Official 'UFC on Fox'--Velasquez-Dos Santos thread

Big UFC main events almsot always are either:

a blow out win for one guy
a very boring affair

Very rarely is it a good back and forth match.

 

You are exactly right. I know the UFC was hoping for Griffin-Bonnar but that rarely ever happens at HW especially with guys that can bang like Cain and JDS.

The sad thing for the UFC and MMA is that any new viewers really
didn't see anything that we make them want to seek out the next FOX event.

This is exactly why they should have shown Guida-Henderson on the card.

 

People are really jumping on Cain. He just got caught with one of those weird behind the ear shots that discombobulate many a man. He'll be back.

 

Damien is right, Cain took a big shot behind the ear. If you have ever had the pleasure of getting hit like this, you would know. Cain is a badass, these two will fight again, and Cain will approach it very differently. Not saying he will win, but it will be a much different fight. I hope Cain fights the loser of Lesnar/Overeem. I really want to see Overeem fuck Lesnar up, not really any reason, just like the JDS/Overeem matchup.

I must admit it suprises me they didn't work Henderson/Guida in. Great fight, would have been much better than all the talking. I'm with TKO, Henderson is legit, but I don't see him beating Frankie. I would love to see a rematch with Pettis actually, I think Henderson hands him his ass this time around.

 

Yeah, it is crazy that Henderson lost to Pettis. Henderson is seemingly so much better. I really think Henderson wanted to stand with Pettis despite having a huge wrestling advantage.

Regarding the shot that hurt Cain, you are right, I've been hit just like that a few times. While you're still conscious, everything is spinning. My brother hit me just behind the temple once with 16 ounce gloves and I swear I thought I was on a "Tilt-A-Whirl" ride even to the point of feeling sick.

But that shot doesn't land by accident or luck. Cain threw a slow and weak jab and left it out there while being almost perfectly squared up to JDS. The better boxing skills and stance won this for JDS simply.

And personally I hope Lesnar takes Overeem down and beats him to a pulp simply because I think Overeem ruined the Strikeforce Tourney and has generally avoided good fighters recently. I don't think it will happen as Lesnar is just too gun shy to set up good, solid take down attempts.

 

I agree, no accident or luck about it. JDS is WAAAY better on the feet. I just think the next fight, Cain immediatel goes for the takedown or clinch. The bad thing for Cain, is this gives JDS that much more time to work takedown defense. And JDS' takedown defense is already excellent.

I think Henderson tried to stand way to much with Pettis in their fight. If he goes in and fights his fight I can see it getting stopped 2nd or 3rd by gnp

 

that's completely ridiculous. His last 3 fights were against Togers, Duffee and Werdum, all credible fighters at the time (Duffee is arguable, but he was dominating against Russow before the come from waaaay behind ko, and Russow is on a good streak) . nd now he's bout to fight Lesnar

Sure before that he fought bums for a couple of years, but he was mostly concentrating on K1 at the tme, where he fought top guys after top guys. Not to mention that he needed a couple of tune ups and soft touch since he had one of the most insane resume before that.

Sometimes I wonder for how long you've been following the sport

 

Again, show me where he's fought a top 10 guy since Rua at 205 back in 2007 and I'll shut up.

Regarding Rogers and Duffee, OK if you want to call them top competition then we'll just have to disagree. Rogers has lost 4 of his last 5 and Duffee is just an extreme joke who was never anything.

Overeem has fought a lot of top guys. Unfortunately there are 3 caveats:

1) Most were at 205
2) He lost most of them
3) They were 4 + years ago

I would have ranked Werdum very close to the top 10 but that's the best Oveereem has done in the last 4 years and he looked like shit.

Show me where I'm wrong?

 

Going by the same criteria, JDS has fought bum for all his career, since the only top 10 fighter he fought was Velasques 3 days ago (Carwin and Werdum were also arguably top 10).

Yeah Rogers was shown to be rather bumish, but he was viewd as a top 10-top 15 at the time the reem fought him

 

You're a clown, if you're comparing theyr whole career, Overeem level of opposition is way better than JDS, and it's not even up for debate. Hell, Alistair has one of the best resume ever in mma

 

werdum fought a smart fight vs. overeem but he still lost. even when he had his success in stand up, he snuck in a few punches, but refused to sustain it and resorted to falling on his ass to pull guard.

i'd favor dos santos to beat overeem, but it's a much different fight and i wouldnt be surprised if overeem f'd up him in standing considering jds himself isn't hard to find.

 

Man, your blind love of Overeem is almost sickening.

Let the masses decide, but over the last 4 years it seems to me that JDS has faced a much tougher list than Overeem.

JDS
Velasquez
Carwin
Roy Nelson
Gonzaga
Yvel
Cro Cop
Struve
Werdum

Overeem
Werdum
Duffee
Rogers
Fujita
James Thompson (Really????)
Tony Sylvester (Who????)
Gary Goodridge ( and no, they didn't use a time machine to go back to 98')
Cro Cop
Mark Hunt
Lee Tae Hun (LOL)


Silly, silly, silly to even try to compare their recent fights. But since we must, also keep in mind that from the Hun fight all the way thru the Werdum fight, Overeem was Strikeforce Champion and only one of those fights (Rogers) was actually a defense. He dodged all the top guys on the Strikeforce roster for almost 3 years.

But also keep in mind that he bailed out of the Strikeforce Tournament and avoided fighting Antonio Silva.

 

Damn, JOM has a major hardon for Overeem, jesus.

At heavyweight there is no fucking way Overeem has fought as tough opposition.

:: At Rogers and Duffee.

Overeem has certainly fought a lot of good fighters dating back to 205, but he's lost to most of the good ones he's fought.

 

See, I wouldn't even think about debating that point. Overeem has a solid list of opponents at 205 despite losing most of the big matchups.

But at HW, it's been more smoke and mirrors in my opinion.

 

You took a timespan that advantage JDS. Add Lesnar and Kharitonov to Overeem rooster, and they're resume is pretty equal. And, as I said, the reason that Overeem resume in MMA is not that good in the last few yers is because he was concentrating on K1. There's nothing in Overeem career that imply he's avoiding big fights

 

OK, so you admit he fought shitty opposition since moving to HW full time.

We agree. The reasoning can be whatever you want it to be, but he's faced miserable MMA competition over the last 3 years despite having fought 10 times in that span.

 

No, he didn't fought miserable opposition, he fought decent opposition. Could have been better, but not as bad as you're impliying. Not much different than most ufc HW

 

Bull shit.. James Thompson is shitty competition. Tony Sylvester is shitty competition. Gary Goodridge is shitty competition.

I know it sucks for Overeem's fans but you can't change facts. These guys suck and Overeem fought them in a row while holding the Strikeforce belt and having multiple options available.

Hell, let's pull off the gloves and be honest. Overeem was scheduled to fight Brett Rogers on June 6, 2009. Overeem pulled out due to injury.
And then he was scheduled to fight Werdum on August 15, but still couldn't because of the injury.

Yet he managed to heal up and fight freaking Tony Sylvester a few months later. He didn't even face Rogers until AFTER Fedor had already bested Brett.

Then he was lined up to face Arlovski at Dynamite 2009 in December but his management team balked and got him the ancient Fujita instead. Fujita had lost 4 of his last 5 at the time.

Don't try to bull shit anyone on here. The dude has claimed injuries to avoid so many fights over the last 4 years that it's shameful.

 

Yeah those 3 guys are disgraceful, but still Werdum ,Duffee ,Rogers, Cro Cop
and Mark Hunt are all decent fighter.

And Rogers was probably more highly regarded after the Fedor fight than before it. Many people were picking him to beat Alistair easilly.

 

Dude, seriously, where are you getting any sort of ranking on Duffee? The dude is absolute garbage.

And no matter how you slice it, Overeem avoided Rogers until Fedor already knocked him the fuck out.