The definitive way to gain respect as a knowledgeable poster

I didn't say I knew Holyfield would beat Tyson. You are twisting my words. I said I knew that Evander was a too much risk, no reward fight for Tyson. In other words I knew that Evander had a "LIVE" chance of the upset but if Tyson won no one would have given him credit.

Big difference.

I challenge you to quote where I said otherwise and if you can't cease and desist with this bullshit by first admitting that you make things up just to argue.

 

Also PLEASE tell me where I've changed positions and jumped from one gang to the next.

 

So what you're saying is you and Ron Borges are the only two who saw Evander as having a realistic chance at beating Tyson. That's what you're saying.

My point remains the same...always landing on the right side of history.

You're making my point.

 

Being close to the sport is no excuse for being bad at deciding how a fight will turn out. In fact, it's probably the worst excuse possible.

Predicting fights accurately over the long haul is one of the best determinators for demonstrating knowledge of the sport...winning money over the long haul is even better...

But it's not a short term indicator. Shit happens. The most knowledgeable people don't win the college basketball pools, either.

 

Dude, you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. But that was my position then.

 

As I said...always on the right side of history.

 

Don't hate, appreciate.

I've been wrong before and admitted it. I picked Taylor to beat Pavlik by stoppage. Pavlik stopped him. I made no excuses. I didn't suddenly jump on the Pavlik Bandwagon..i went on to pick Hopkins to butcher him ove rthe distance.

Your stated opinion on me is based upon nothing but your overactive imagination and envy for my better prediction record.

 

Oh, please. You starting calling Pavlik "PavliKKK" right after the fight and then then tried to give yourself partial credit because Taylor had Pavlik in some trouble early on (but you called it something like "nearly KOed". You did everything BUT accept the fight result gracefully.

Muzse is totally on point regarding your bullshit. Someday you might actually tell the truth...someday...

 

queer

 

Be simple with your approach, sly. Stop hugging nuts and you'll lose that status.

 

Very true. Wimp clause indeed.

 

Seriously man, about 75% of your posts are dedicated to feuding with Sly. It's becoming unsettling.

 

Planet Roy.

 

The guys with the best record of picking fights on this board are the ones whose picks sound something like this:

"Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if so and so wins. It could go either way."

Likewise (after the fight),

"I was telling so and so that that's exactly what would happen. Ask him."

 

Sly's argument, as always, is ludicrous

That reputation bullshit only applies if you are saying something crazy like "Jack Johnson KO2 Tony Tubbs" ... because to me, Jack Johnson was engaging in a sport that was incredibly crude compared to the one Tubbs was participating in... It also applies if you are talking about trying to predict how a fight will go down with a guy nobody has ever seen because no footage exists (Harry Greb... but if the 1920s are any indication, he's not a modern pro either, so it isn't a stretch to imagine he'd be pretty useless against guys who came later)

When it comes to guys from the 40s, there's plenty of footage you could watch, plenty to learn... It's not repuatation... reputation means shit to me... Oscar De La Hoya has an immense reputation, he'll be famous in 30 years... in 30 years, only serious boxing fans will know who Mike McCallum was... anybody here like Oscar's chances in that mythical matchup?

"Reputation" is an accusation... It's an excuse to not learn your shit... "man, you're just saying Harold Johnson would shut out Antonio Tarver because Harold Johnson had a REPUTATION... he fought in the 50s and 60s... Bert Sugar" ... No, stupid, I'm saying he'd beat him because if you watched the man fight, you'd see he's a vastly superior boxer, he even does Tarver better than Tarver does... the rest of the stuff (Quality of Opposition being the most vital) is just support to the main point which is to watch the guys fight

Incidentally, where's the Calzaghe/Lamotta thread? I don't remember seeing that... and I would have picked Calzaghe to decision him frankly

 

Furthermore, what always bugs me is that guys who throw up shit like "Floyd Mayweather could beat any welterweight history... Pac>Duran" are the same ones that will also admit that the sport is in TERRIBLE shape right now, the amount of quality, well-schooled fighters is incredibly low... well, what the fuck? Those two things are mutually exclusive... Let's be real here, if I take Jesus Chavez and put him in a time machine and have him fight his career from 1900-1915 with the same exact skills and attributes he had in the 2000s, his career looks a whole lot different... he's probably 130-1 (129 KOs) with 80 newspaper decisions (and 79 of them are unanimous in his favor) and the guy is a fucking LEGEND... Nat Fleischer calls him "The Splendid spinc" or "The Walloping Wetback" and Ramonza (sorry man, but I always rip you on the old-timers, nothing personal LOL) tells us he'd fucking swallow Roberto Duran whole on account of his 9 first round KOs of Johnny Dundee and Lew Tendler (which he would likely REALLY have if you put him back in those days) ... The point is that the partial reverse is also true... In the thick of a brutally deep division, matched exceedingly tough, Emile Griffith was several times a welterweight champion and middleweight champion... to make everybody who is bound to bring it up happy, let's say that since we now have the ludicrous day-before weigh-in, that Welter Emile Griffith is a Junior Welter and Middle Emile Griffith is a welterweight... you think he's not kicking the shit out of the same cast of characters that Manny Pacquiao and Floyd have been feasting on? All of the sudden Emile Griffith has two separate LONG runs as champ in two divisions, because there's no Paret, there's no Rodriguez, there's no Benvenuti... no fighters of that class around to split decision him and take the belts... Now, obviously, Griffith is rightfully held in much higher esteem than Jesus Chavez (even by guys who HATE thinking highly of anybody pre-1990 NOT named Ali) but Griffith is never on anyone's Top ten P4P all-time list, hell he's probably not on anyones top 20 either... But if Flod Mayweather doesn't exist right now, and Emile Griffith does, he's likely in the same exact spot on top of the boxing world (or near it at the very least) ... Now, I consider all of that (and the fact that Floyd's reign at 130 was TREMENDOUS and by itself hall-of-fame-REAL hall of fame, not Barry McGuigan hall of fame-caliber) and I say "Floyd is a solid lower end of the top 20-25 all time pound for pound fighter" and I get called a lunatic and unfair and a hater and Bert Sugar and all sorts of ridiculous shit like that... but if you think it through logically, every bit of it... the state of the game, the quality of the opposition, the skills of the fighters, any stones left unturned, all of it... I don't see how somebody says "yeah, that's an outrageous insult... he has to be in the top 5... cdoggs an asshole"

 

I call it "telling the truth", which doesn't seem very popular around here. If you want to stick up for Stafford, no matter how much of an asshole he acts like, then that's up to you. He talks all kind of shit to me, and I never see you bitching at him about it. He has spent the last day or so responding to my posts, whether I am talking to him or not, with "queer". But apparently that behavior is perfectly ok with you.

Ugh. Whatever, man. If you don't like my posts, then don't respond to them. if you want to talk boxing with me, then great. But otherwise, I don't give a shit.

 

What's funny is the posters who subscribe to this foolishness are almost always the ones who don't know shit about the fighters they are putting down. Which makes their opinions meaningless.

The way to gain respect as a knowledgeable poster is to know what the Hell you are talking about and keeping your yap shut when you don't rather than running your mouth instead. And also not making up stuff or revising history to bolster your arguments. And it's not a crime to admit you don't know about a particular fighter. This isn't rocket science.

 

Seriously, there are guys here who know every Junior Bantamweight contender of the last 30 years... I'm lucky that I can remember 5 guys

Neil, for example, loves a lot of the little guys... He obviously knows them well... I wouldn't even try discussing Gilberto Roman or somebody like that with him... I'd just defer because I don't know anything about him

 

Yeah. I don't know a ton about the lower wright guys either. But I don't pretend I do.

Some folks would just look Roman up on BoxRec and make claims about him based on looking at his resume online despite knowing even less than nothing about the names on the resume. AND...some other folks wouldn't even bother to go that far before talking about him.

 

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SLY'S THE MAN.

 

Dude..what Hut is saying...is that you go out of your way to provoke me "Stafford, agenda" and other bullshit instead of simply formulating an logical counter argument. It's so childish, repetitive and annoying that whenever you do so I may as well respond with your hidden sexual status....because that response is on the same level.

 

That's right Serbian! Don't forget it. By the way why are you so scared to meet me in real life?

Are you a coward?

 

Nope. What I say is the truth. You post with an agenda. And when you get called on it you then fall back on grade school insults. No matter how much you try to spin that...it's the truth. And we all know how much you hate the truth.

it's not my fault you don't know how to post without being full of shit. Maybe you could try thinking before you post and not be so concerned with improving the status of your favorite fighters. And then maybe watch more fights. That would be a good start.

 

queer

 

Sly, you're starting to look like a moron, repeating this over and over again.

 

What and he doesn't look like a moron using my real name over and over again and repeating "agenda" like he lost his mind? :giggle:

Buddy do you really want to stick up for this guy?

 

Starting??? ::

 

Feeling happy that SpongeBob Squarepants has your back?

 

Sly's seemingly unconditional worship of PBF is indefensible.