Joe Calzaghe vs Marvin Hagler 160lbs

OK, you're gonna hate me for this...but in this thread we have to ASSume that Joe could melt down to 160lbs and be just as effective as he was at 168lbs.

If he were to fight Hagler with that same speed, stamina, ring generalship and workrate...what would happen?

He'd decision Hagler that's what! His speed advantage would be insane and the workrate and movement would make Hagler's head spin.

Marvin enjoyed feasting on smaller guys moving up in weight to meet him, he wasn't used to this type of animal.

Of Course Marvin was a great fighter and so he'd make it competitive.

 

Calzaghe all day every day

 

Marvin Hagler was a far better fighter than Joe Calzaghe, you guys are tards

 

Depends how Calzaghe wants it. Does he want a long, painful beating?

Or a short one?

Hagler messes the slapping chode up.

 

seriously, Hagler would fucking laugh at that jazzercising bullshit

 

Please. Hagler would be at a height and speed (hand and foot) disadvantage. Calzaghe, who's rarely hit flush, had a dependable chin and Marvin wasn't a HUGE puncher.

Calzaghe aint no Alan Minter or Vito Antuofermo.

Different level of animal.

Of Course Hearns had the hand and footspeed and size...but Hearns was more vulnerable to punches and he had somewhat of a stamina deficiency compared to other great fighters.

 

Calzaghe would muller him. Me and Sly see the truth. I've always thought he beats Hagler

 

He'd land 2-1 on hagler. No doubt.

 

But he just might get outworked while doing so.


It is obvious Hagler would do far more damage. Obviously Hagler lands the cleaner shots. Obviously Hagler wins the 'fight', in the sense that people normally would view it (the way Kellerman puts it, most people would have wanted to be Hagler in there).

But. Hagler could be hit. He had a very good defense but he liked to exchange too and he could be hit. Calzaghe would throw much more punches in there, he might control the clinching situations (which there would be plenty) and he could probably take Hagler's heavy body shots. Thus, it is a very possible scenario that Calzaghe walks home with a narrow decision victory. Yes he is a slapper and a leap amateur, but with his awkward style and physical abilities he might be able to capture the W.

Perhaps that means that we should change boxing rules, perhaps refs should take more active role or whatever, but as of now, this is a very even matchup

 

But Calzaghe beat Mikel Kessler by 4 points! And SDd a 43 year old man! Pitty patted that old guy right into exhaustion! He's a leggg!

 

But, but, but....JEFF LACY!

 

REED Hates to Admit it, but Calzaghe DOES Pose Some STYLISTIC PROBLEMS for Hagler...No, Calzaghe DOESN'T Hurt Hagler, but he Doesn't Really HAVE to, to Win a BOXING Match...If Calzaghe FIGHTS w/Hagler, he Gets Murdered...But if he BOXES Hagler, it's Not Inconceivable that Calzaghe Eeks Out a Close, Somewhat Unpopular 12 Round Decision...

Having Said that, REED Sees NO Way Calzaghe Beats Hagler Over the 15 Round Distance...


REED:dancingBaby:

 

He might win in wrong style here too for sure, Ramonza :Hanzkiller:

 

I don't get the logic. If you concede that Calzaghe coul dbeat Hagler over 12 what does the extra 3 rounds do to change this. Calzaghe's stamina is legendary

 

SPEED Fighters Tended to Slow Down in 15 Rounders...3 Extra Rounds Gives Hagler 9 MORE Minutes to ADJUST to the Awkwardness of Calzaghe's Style...While Calzaghe WOULDN'T Completely Fall Apart in a 15 Rounder, he'd B ALOT more AVAILABLE for Hagler, in REED's Opinion...

Hagler would CLOSE the Show STRONGER than Calzaghe...Calzaghe CLOSE Over 12; Hagler CLEAR Over 15...



REED:dancingBaby:

 

I am not sure if you can turn a close loss to a clear win in three rounds (as 7-5 would at best become 7-8)

 

Anyone able to interpret this for me?

I think this match would be fairer if you made Hagler come up a few pounds, BTW. I dont see him losing anything weighing, say, 165. Calzaghe coming down, on the other hand...

 

The point is overwhelming & exhausting skilled guys with sloppy-slappy volume won't work so well if the guy isn't a 43 years old who needs a 30 punch a round pace to be effective.

It sure isn't gonna wilt a prime Marvin Hagler (or a prime Hopkins for that matter)

 

He doesn't have to exhaust anyone here, he needs to outwork. And that can be done with sloppyslappy volume, in a clown ring or not

 

A clown ring would certainly synergize with the jazzercise approach, yeah. The longer the fight goes and the smaller the ring (aka the more fighting actually takes place) the more the effect of Hagler's proper punches would reveal itself. It's a Chavez-Taylor dynamic, this one.

At 168 Hagler might have difficulties but if they're the same size, Hagler wins every time.

 

Yea because Joe has been hurt bad in fights before *rolleyes*

Calzaghe can adapt. I've always thought Joe wins this

 

LEFT HOOK!!!1

 

Hagler beats Calzaghe any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

Looks like Stafford's endless effort at the downgrading of great fighters from other times is back in full swing. :shit:

 

People will claim nuthuggery, but Joe really is a bad style match up for the Marvellous one. I'd be rooting for Hagler, who is one of my three or four favourite fighters ever, but he could end up dropping a decision on nothing more than workrate.

MTF

 

word.

And who cares if people claim "nuthuggery"? Fuck them and embrace the term with pride. The elitists only use that term as a control tactic:

Control the minds of boxing fans to be on the bandwagon's of only the established historical greats.

I'm not bowing to that shit.

If people want to label me a Floyd/Bernard/Calzaghe/Jones/Pacquiao nuthugger because I'm on the bandwagons...so be it. Wont change my mind or deter me from sharing my opinions.

In fact it spurs me on all the more...if you're going to do the time...may as well do the crime.

 

Why is this at 160 lbs? Calzaghe was having trouble making 168 anyway, he might die trying to make 160

 

Check the opening post. Let's for a second PRETEND that Joe could have made 160 and still be as effective...just for the sake of a discussion.

 

Let's also give Calzaghe horseshoes in his gloves and Hagler has to fight with one arm tied behind his back...just for the sake of a discussion.

 

I just think it'd make more sense to have Hagler put on a couple pounds. He'd be just as strong.